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Monster and semi-monster bridgesii 's : general phenotype discussion

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It seems bridgesii is one of the funkiest cacti ever in the monstrosity sense, in that they tend to have many forms, many strains, many types of weirdness.

we even have two "melted wax" clones, the infamous slow growing crest and the columnar melted wax

Most say there are 2 types of penis, TBM, the rarer type A which does larger dicks (I dont own it, buying or trading it though, PM me) and the more common type B. I remember some dude mentioning a third type of penis but dont remember..

I also remember a discussion about how the bridgesii crest now and then throws out a penis and M Smith saying something like "you're supposed to cut the dicks so as the crest prevails" or something like that.. I dont remember where this discussion happened... If you remember / find anything, throw the link in the thread.

What nobody said or reported ,as far as I remember , is:

1) what happens if you root the cut penises from a meltedwax crest ? how does it evolve?

2) what happens if you root a penis cutting with no areoles? I doubt type B TBM would do anything interesting, but I havent tried this out.. what I got is both a couple penises from melty crest mothers and a large areole-less cutting of the same clone for rooting.

So apart from the dicks and the one (?) type of crest

we also got a couple named clones from around the world most ethnobotanically advanced societies of today.. we got "melted wax" columnar monstrosa , this is the most monster of other less weird specimens I had grown in the past.. there is also lotusland , I assume these two come from USA, then there is also the ozzie Bruce, I think, I remember its a semi-monstrosa bridgesii as welll... maybe there are a couple other ozzie clones / names I miss? throw them in!

Me I had met with semi-monstrosities in bridgesii before, first it was that "praktiker" strain I had, which shifted rib count a lot , later it was a very blue, "bridgesii of the 4 winds" that went 4-rib often, now this too plays a lot with rib count. I have grown for relatively little time both melted wax mosntrosa and lotusland and these two seem a pretty interesting, with melted wax being the most wild.

PS: will comeback with photos , but it will take time to grow more of these.

PS2: pictures of two different columnar strains , side by side, or the two TBMS, type A and type B, are greatly wanted in discussing the phenotypes, so I offer a freebie to anyone who offers such a photo here in the thread.

I can make at least one such photo, with melted wax and what I think is lotusland, as I lost the labels...

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I have rooted a penis from one of my crests. It's still very small, but I'll update once it grows more.

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In my experiance a tbm penis with no aeroles doesnt produce new aerola and stops growing. I experimented with a penis tip on a fair sized scop it didnt do shit for two years and now it looks like the scop is drinking from the penis as its shriveling.

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pictures of two different columnar strains , side by side, or the two TBMS, type A and type B, are greatly wanted in discussing the phenotypes, so I offer a freebie to anyone who offers such a photo here in the thread.

whats the freebie?

ps: I got A, B, & C penis clones, three types of bridgesii crests, each completely different than each other, the tall columnar 'melted wax - no ribs' and at least a half dozen or more named clones. oh, and a shitload of variegated mini-dicks.

ps2 oh, and a picture of the grand daddy of all dicks, or what happens to a massively erect A clone when it goes soft...

and I've seen a new pup emerge from the tip of a completely smooth penis, so maybe the aerole was hidden beneath the surface, who knows

here's the bottom line, just because YOU havent seen it or I havent seen it does not mean it cannot happen.....plants arent static, they are constantly evolving...

btw- all posted pics should have a size reference guide, such as a Bic lighter or some such common object

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whats the freebie?

dunno, I am flexible, could be mandrake seed, one can ask something reasonable.

So lets see the 3 types of penis and the 3 types of crest

I've seen a new pup emerge from the tip of a completely smooth penis

what type? my instict says that dicks coming from a crest plant could do it... theoretically... we'll see

.plants arent static, they are constantly evolving...

I am not so sure about this... you mean some of my TBM-Bs that are all coming from the same clone (Kada garden) can turn variegata ? :) dont thinks so, I hope you're right...

[edited a bit this next paragraph for clearing structure and meaning]

In any case, that's the reason I want to talk about monster phenotypes, because I have seen along the years, f.e. in my pachanoi crests, some stuff that happen rather rarely , but in a way that I perceive as a sequence , stuff you haven't seen in the past (perhaps zellys point) .... stuff you can only experience through growing a specimen (along with clones of it I say) for some years... as years pass by, they're more predictable though... TBM B f.e. is pretty predictable... I cant think of any surprise unless ... a flower in a huge plant? more size, more girth ?

Now some pics , in these two we got the columnar melted wax , with "lotusland" which seems less strange.. but I could have messed the labels, as I remember I had 2 of each clone...

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and here are my two larger (still small) bridgesii crests, the left one doing a penis like mentioned earlier.

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PS: melted wax "no ribs" sounds like a cool name, does it flower?

PS2: Shit these pics are awful!

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So what kind of tbm crests are these? Do they throw long segmented tbm pups or short segmented pups?

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I wouldnt know to tell you, up to now I thought there was one strain!

I bought 4 specimens, and I thought it was only different specimens of variations of a very weird and varied monster... I have grown them for little time, but I managed to increase their number doing two grafts (the huge dick grafted on the big bridgesii)

in that its very weird and varied, this phenotype can be discussed for fun and/or discovery

if there are indeed more than one strains, then even the cresty type seems to always spoil the crest and doing weak "penises" with areoles , perhaps the one on the left

if there is indeed more than one strain, there is one that tends to go upwards and do this split skin thing, the one on the right...

perhaps perhaps... future will tell,

please place yr hints here!

PS: this beast, bridge crest seems to bear lots more creativeness than a regular and pretty predictable pachanoi crest.. A joy to grow, strongly recommended

PS2: in the right photo there is a dick forming...

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I'll contribute some photos here when I get the chance. Just went through an unexpected move and the greenhouse and plants are all temporally staying at a friends place.

oh, and a shitload of variegated mini-dicks.

Please share the love!!! Who really needs a shitload anyway? :wink::P

ps2 oh, and a picture of the grand daddy of all dicks, or what happens to a massively erect A clone when it goes soft...

Oh! I've got one of those to share too!

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This was obtained thru a trade. I've only had it about 1 year and don't know much about it apart from the mother it was cut from had some nice monstrous growth.

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That flowering gymno looks awesome upside!

Sure is hey :) I bought it like that last week. The colours are so strong! Flower hasn't opened yet.....

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you have very nice plants Mutant, very nice.

bought this as a TBMC.

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im not so sure now, what do you guys think?

am wondering if its a bridgesii crest, not a bridgesii monstrose crest as its very spikey.

or wether its a very spiky TBMC.....

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am wondering if its a bridgesii crest, not a bridgesii monstrose crest as its very spikey.

or wether its a very spiky TBMC.....

I'm kinda of the opinion there's two forms of TBM crests, the sharp ridge line spiky kind like yours and the more rounded non spiny ones like mutant posted.

I picked up this guy on ebay listed as a little tiny bridgesii crest, which has grown substantially in the last couple of years

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as for TBM's, i maintain theres 3 varieties, short, medium & long. short ones consistently produce short offsets, mediums consistently produce medium length offsets, and long ones consistently produce long offsets. At least thats what seems to happen in my garden, ymmv

Mediums seem to originate from spiky crests, if you allow the offsets to grow out.

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medium

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long

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as for pot grown monstrous or melted wax varieties, I maintain a good 99% of them return to normal growth once they're planted in mother earth.

here's a pot grown, bizarre twisted form I picked up & planted in the ground. Center foreground in the pic is the stem as I purchased it, immediately behind it are new, completely normal looking stems.

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on the other hand, here's a pot grown melted wax variety, pic taken a short while after planting it in the ground

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here it is again, a few years later

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and to think i started with a non rooted semi-variegated pup the size of my thumb

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not shown, another 3x3 potful of variegated pups growing new roots

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Hi Zelly,

Beautiful plants as always. :)

In regards to the first bridgesii crest you've put up in post #13. How do you decide and determine that one is a bridgesii and not a pachanoi or another short spined tricho species?

The TBMC's seem to throw spines that are recognizable as bridgesii in their size and colour, and pach crests and peru crests usually have recognizable spines of their genus to some degree also. But that one doesn't look like it has a single spine that says "bridgesii". So apart from the ebay seller saying it's a bridgesii crest, what else makes it so?

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But that one doesn't look like it has a single spine that says "bridgesii". So apart from the ebay seller saying it's a bridgesii crest, what else makes it so?

good question, time will tell i suppose. I've numerous much larger sized pach & peru crests that show true spination, I'll just have to wait for this one to mature to a much larger size.

fwiw, I've a crested Echinocactus grusonii that is overgrowing a 15cm pot, of which the spines dont look very much like a mature E. grusonii

the ebay seller was a grower in europe, and of a size grown from seed, so I just took it on his word it was a bridge crest.

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Pimento that is a tbm crest, looks just like mine. What I find interesting is the tbm crest I've seen that are totally spineless.

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I agree with nut, pimento that is a tbmc. I think if it were just a crested T. bridg it would look much more like zelly's crest.

How many tbmc's are there? I'm not sure, but I know someone on another forum who believes he has three that he has collected.

I agree with you zelly, there do seem to be at least 3 varieties of TBM. I certainly don't have the experience that zelly does, but what I have experienced with my own collection correlates well with zelly's statements above. I am heading out to my greenhouse tonight, so I with take some photos for y'all.

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How many tbmc's are there?

well here's two....

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side by side

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^^^^

thats what I am talking about

the side by side pic above wins zelly a freebie

is the less spiny, left one, in better soil, and the right one, more neglected?

I too think its a definate pachanoi crest in post #12 first two pics

thanks a lot zel for your info and all... hey is this spidermite damage on the oldest and spinier one?

I agree that pimentos crest looks different indeed than mine, despite it might be due to graft too... actually pimentos looks like a real crest without the melty part...

but I have seen parts of this in my specimens . so either I got more than one strain, or

maybe someone can graft a spiny cresty area and create the spiny form or

the melty melty strain can also do some spiny parts but tis usually limited...

its a bit far fatched, but if the medium dick comes from some crest, then given the comlexity of shapes, speed of growth and variety of this monster, then maybe one can create many "forms"

like eulychnia spiralis and all, where all forms come from the same clone.. maybe its the same with this slow grower...

on the other hand , the italian dude I got mine from, says he got 4 forms (!) , which doesnt validate with the photos he sent.

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Glad this thread was started, was recently having conversations with people about this specific topic. I always thought there were multiple crest types and at least 3 TBM types as zelly has shown. Glad you finally got that clone A in the ground! :)

I had given my pops a TBMC which was throwing a nice dick and then a deer came and gobbled it off. Damn cockgobblers....

Here's some pics of a few of my penii.

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not sure what this one would be considered, kinda shows both types of cresting and the random dick growth... was a cutting from my dad's plant.

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Curvy shlong

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short clumping type

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this one I have taken some grafts of and had some insect damage...

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meant to add the gobbled pic but was maxed out ~_~

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wow what and educative thread!

thats why SAB rulez

djmatt>>

I thing the first one you show is pretty spiney, the other two not so much especially the second (cant know what are the parts missing to graft but it seems like neat and clean work )

overall more spiney and more cresty, it seems, on the other hand it sure depends on what conditions it grew..

are some of the TBM dicks you show medium or long type? I can see some longish at the bottom photo

PS:

I will show you soon a short dick which I made long... which is pretty simple: starting with fat strong cuttings, then etiolating for a while when it goes into growing season, then return to lormal light and fatten it up again...

just saying

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I have seen what you mention with the etiolation from a fat cutting during the start of a growing season. Had this happen when I first started collecting... (the TBM in the white square pot)

Some of my TBMs seem to switch between short and medium growth even when the short ones grow normal and fat sitting right next to the others. I would like to eventually take one of each of my suspected different kinds and put them in near identical conditions (pot size, soil, light levels etc) let em grow out a few years and try to see if there's actually major environmental factors playing a role in their size/shapes.

I only showed pictures of short and suspected short/medium types, I have some monster long form as well but didn't bother with pics.

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Mitosis gave me this bridgesii crest as a gift. He got it from Bob Smoley. It throws long segmented dicks. If I want the crest to growin have to cut all dicks off, unless they already stalled.

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Here is a sample of a cared after specimen of the short form in a large container, the clump will eventually root in multiple points, but I think starting with fat and strongcutting is the best start to make a large clump.

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here's one of the crests with a ligher for size comparison

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semi-monsters (lotusland, melted wax)

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enlenthened through etiolation short-type dick

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