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hey can anyone tell me the deal with grafted plants and seeds, do the seeds of grafted mother retain genetics of scion or stock or donor?

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it wont be the same as the graft that's for sure and most times wont be the same as the stock.

im talking fruit trees

EDIT I now see its in cactass forum kkkkkk

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Same as ungrafted. Stock has nothing to do with anything

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Fruit tree grafts don't breed true because they are hybrids.

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Same as ungrafted. Stock has nothing to do with anything

Really?

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/40859/title/Sexless-Hook-Up/

Original Journal

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v511/n7508/abs/nature13291.html

You might wanna let those guys know that it has nothing to do with it

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That journal you posted doesn't have anything to do with sexual reproduction. Even in the titles of both is says sexless or asexual. This thread is about sexual reproduction. From my experience breeding grafted cacti, depending on where the flower came from (stock or scion) it passes on the genetics of whichever plant's flower formed a fruit. And of course the father pollen.

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Grafting does in some rare cases affect genes but that is statistically rare.

The polyploid combination is typically termed a chimera and rarely is stable when breeding, though it is not unknown in vascular plants it is unknown thus far in the cacti we favor.

Ideally chloroplast DNA from a vigous stock would be transmitted through cytoplasmic inherantance to seed and result in unusual vigor in F1 crosses of the plants. Thus far it has not been obseverved formally though some examples of it may exist undetected.

It is not a major issue, but is possible though very unlikely.

Those articles are wonderfully fascinating.

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Nicotine is found in the scion that has been transferred over from the stock

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jsfa.3555/abstract

Definitely interaction of at least some kind
Epigenetics and all that jazz can come into play and affect parts of the plant that may germinate into sexual organs

Additionally majority of the internal organelles of the cells that constitute the vascular system are moved to other parts of the plant after maturity.
Vascular cells are very important in grafting. If these cells are polyploid and their nuclear and cellular contents are moved to other parts of the plant that then replicate you could have interaction.

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Nicotine is found in the scion that has been transferred over from the stock

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jsfa.3555/abstract

Definitely interaction of at least some kind

Epigenetics and all that jazz can come into play and affect parts of the plant that may germinate into sexual organs

Additionally majority of the internal organelles of the cells that constitute the vascular system are moved to other parts of the plant after maturity.

Vascular cells are very important in grafting. If these cells are polyploid and their nuclear and cellular contents are moved to other parts of the plant that then replicate you could have interaction.

of course there is interaction. Otherwise the scion would die.

If someone spat in your mouth, would you acquire their traits? Or would your children share some DNA with the spit donor?

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When the facts cant be backed up just change the topic to spitting on someone, thats going to help everyone learn so much

What a mature attitude, exactly what this thread needs. Thanks for your input

Id love to know how you became so certain about the genetic effects of grafting?

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exactly what this thread needs. Thanks for your input

Your right, lets post more off-topic criticism without even lending your opinion on the subject.

Id love to know how you became so certain about the genetic effects of grafting?

There is a lot to learn here at SAB :)

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Most grafted scions breed true.

A few, and it is extremely rare may not.

Genetic alteration in grafts is virtually unknown though remotely possible. It is like being stuck by light night twice as you win a lottery and levitate

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