DiscoStu Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 hey can anyone tell me the deal with grafted plants and seeds, do the seeds of grafted mother retain genetics of scion or stock or donor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manic Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 scion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullit Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) it wont be the same as the graft that's for sure and most times wont be the same as the stock.im talking fruit treesEDIT I now see its in cactass forum kkkkkk Edited February 19, 2015 by bullit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foo Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Same as ungrafted. Stock has nothing to do with anything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunter Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Fruit tree grafts don't breed true because they are hybrids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace1928 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Same as ungrafted. Stock has nothing to do with anythingReally?http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/40859/title/Sexless-Hook-Up/Original Journalhttp://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v511/n7508/abs/nature13291.htmlYou might wanna let those guys know that it has nothing to do with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hostilis Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) That journal you posted doesn't have anything to do with sexual reproduction. Even in the titles of both is says sexless or asexual. This thread is about sexual reproduction. From my experience breeding grafted cacti, depending on where the flower came from (stock or scion) it passes on the genetics of whichever plant's flower formed a fruit. And of course the father pollen. Edited February 19, 2015 by hostilis 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunter Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Grafting does in some rare cases affect genes but that is statistically rare.The polyploid combination is typically termed a chimera and rarely is stable when breeding, though it is not unknown in vascular plants it is unknown thus far in the cacti we favor.Ideally chloroplast DNA from a vigous stock would be transmitted through cytoplasmic inherantance to seed and result in unusual vigor in F1 crosses of the plants. Thus far it has not been obseverved formally though some examples of it may exist undetected.It is not a major issue, but is possible though very unlikely.Those articles are wonderfully fascinating. Edited February 20, 2015 by Gunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace1928 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Nicotine is found in the scion that has been transferred over from the stock http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jsfa.3555/abstract Definitely interaction of at least some kind Epigenetics and all that jazz can come into play and affect parts of the plant that may germinate into sexual organs Additionally majority of the internal organelles of the cells that constitute the vascular system are moved to other parts of the plant after maturity. Vascular cells are very important in grafting. If these cells are polyploid and their nuclear and cellular contents are moved to other parts of the plant that then replicate you could have interaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foo Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Nicotine is found in the scion that has been transferred over from the stockhttp://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jsfa.3555/abstractDefinitely interaction of at least some kindEpigenetics and all that jazz can come into play and affect parts of the plant that may germinate into sexual organsAdditionally majority of the internal organelles of the cells that constitute the vascular system are moved to other parts of the plant after maturity.Vascular cells are very important in grafting. If these cells are polyploid and their nuclear and cellular contents are moved to other parts of the plant that then replicate you could have interaction.of course there is interaction. Otherwise the scion would die.If someone spat in your mouth, would you acquire their traits? Or would your children share some DNA with the spit donor? Edited February 20, 2015 by Foo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuserformallyknownasd00d Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 C'mon ya'll! ANYTHINGS possible, including anybody being wrong.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Change Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 When the facts cant be backed up just change the topic to spitting on someone, thats going to help everyone learn so muchWhat a mature attitude, exactly what this thread needs. Thanks for your inputId love to know how you became so certain about the genetic effects of grafting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foo Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) exactly what this thread needs. Thanks for your inputYour right, lets post more off-topic criticism without even lending your opinion on the subject.Id love to know how you became so certain about the genetic effects of grafting?There is a lot to learn here at SAB Edited February 21, 2015 by Foo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunter Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Most grafted scions breed true.A few, and it is extremely rare may not.Genetic alteration in grafts is virtually unknown though remotely possible. It is like being stuck by light night twice as you win a lottery and levitate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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