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ID - half bridgesii half scopulicola?

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I have coveted this trichocereus for the last 2 years and today was my day. :) I got a nice sized piece and I'd like to know what others think about it's ID.

I've always considered it a bridgesii, although it is VERY fat for a bridgesii, (it's fat for a PC pachanoi for christs sake!), it is planted in the ground and has been for at least 15 years.

You'll notice it has basically no spines on the top half of each of the columns but the bottom parts have some pretty gnarly spines, usually 2 per each areole, sometimes 2 large ones and one small one. You can also see it next to another more normal, (but certainly not a small), bridgesii I also got today. The column I was given has big spines on the bottom 12 inches but is basically as spineless as a scop on the top 3 or 4 feet. There are a few areoles on the "spineless" part that have tiny spines about 1 or 2 mm long, but most are completely bare. I've included come close up pics of the areoles with really tiny spines.

Please look at the pics and let me know what you think it may be. I think it could just be a unique form of bridgesii but I would like opinions. The flower hair was quite dark black when I saw them last summer but I have no pics of those for you. Also, it's about 5 or 6 metres high and the flowers were right up the top.

BE AWARE THE PICS ARE A DECENT SIZE if you happen to be on a slow connection. I have made them smaller but tried to keep some quality in them so detail can be seen.

BTW - also happy to hear what people think of the other bridgesii if it happens to jump out as similar to anything you know. But mainly interested in this weird, fat, sometimes spineless, sometimes spiny one. :)

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And here are some pics of the cut I got. It's next to the other bridgesii in these.

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Nice find, I've never seen anything like it.

Definitely in the bridge camp but, very fat and the lack of spines on top is really striking.

Give it a name and spread it far and wide :)

...And whatever you do, don't go to the grave without telling someone where it is. :P

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eileens long lost sister.

the top 1-2 meters of my mature eileens are 100% spineless, a characteristic exhibited by several other mature bridgesii. the lower spination on yours resembles the spination on my mature eileens.

personally I dont think its crossed with a scop, I'd put it in the mature eileen bracket

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That's crazy!! It almost does look like a scop on the top portion, but definitely looks like bridgesii with the spines and skin color. Cool plant!!

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i got a fat bridge log from a member here which at first i though was scop like but have since come to realise it's a trait exhibited by eileen,

its a nice fat plant to be sure

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It's funny that Eileen's been mentioned by a couple of you. When I first saw it that was what came to my mind also, I too have seen that Eileen seems to have very little to no spines on some of her older growth, but I've not personally noticed it as obviously as this, but I also haven't seen an Eileen this huge in person before...

And I actually thought that the smaller one of the 2 looked a little similar to SS02, but I'm not well versed in that one as I've only seen pics and crosses.

I will definitely be trying to collect some pollen from it if my cut happens to flower and I might go back and check on the main plant in summer and see if the owner will let me get a ladder out and pollinate/cross pollinate some of his flowers. He's said he isn't interested in doing that himself so fingers crossed he lets me. :)

And as far as naming and spreading it around goes, I have taken a cut of about 15 inches off the bottom that I'll plant out to pup so the intention is to spread a few pups early next year & when I do I will name it after the owners wife. So I will christen it "Lorraine" for now as when I spread it around that will be it's name. Unfortunately the owners name is already taken for a cuzcoensis/peru here in Australia.

The big cut left over will be getting pride of place in my garden. :)

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SS02 gets 10-12cm thick when mature and has remarkably similar spines.

It lacks the club shaped stems of typical bridgesii and I have seen photos of spineless upper stems on the newer growth of old plants.

This thread has a couple of pics of a younger cut of SS02, note the paired spines:

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=36677

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Yeah, the smaller one in my pics has double spines on almost every areole which is what made me think about the similarity to SS02 for that one when I saw it, but they look as if they aren't as close together as the double spines on the pic of SS02 in the thread you posted. They spread out further from each other a bit more.

From what I can see in the pics of SS02 I've seen, from the post you put up and from others, it seems the areoles stick out more on SS02 and give it a bit of a knobby look, whereas the big one of these 2 is very smooth/straight and seems to lack that "knobbiness".

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Agreed, SS02 is often slightly knobby looking.

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knobbyness aside, imho the most distinguishing feature of ss02 is twin parallel spines, keyword being parallel.

heres how she looks growing in my garden

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In the mature ss02xss01 mama plant, one can definitely see the ss02 parallel spines in tip growth on mature stems

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Yes, SS02 is a lovely cactus and obviously quite different to these 2 in a number of it's features.

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Nice find. Looks identical to one i have here....also loses its spines on the top half. ill post a pic later....

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Bump, I'd love to see those pix mr b.caapi

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doesnt look like eileen imo, even though indeed it does stop doing spines from time to time... areoles are depressed... it really looks as if it was scopxbridgesii....

awesome cactus....

as for the parallel twin spines, PsychO is reported to do this also and TIG also does this, all bridgesii

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Moved my large "Lorraine" tip after leaving it way too long under shadecloth which it had grown too tall for and a little thinner than I wanted. Had to be tipped over by 2 people to move it out into the sun.

I thought it had been moved successfully then half an hour later it just spontaneously fell apart. Maybe the inner core snapped when moving it and the skin held it together for a bit longer. I dunno.

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The stump cutting I took back in the day is coming along but has been begging to go in the ground so it can fatten up and get spineless too. Soon....

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ooh i repaired a cracked yowie once with EG's toothpick bbq skewer graft 'tek'

am I a bit too late to suggest that one now?

though but might be worth considering if you want that tallest impact restoring... perhaps with some reinforcement supports of some kind?

i wonder if it could be enhanced with some sort of vertical "plug in" "dowel" type "pins" of some kind to hold the freshly sliced grafting contact points ...- or is that inviting internal damage later in winds?..

-what with them being all soft inside ..

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-all i had to add-

Beautiful knockout plants guys !

I hope ~I can hunt out a lorraine at some point for my mate of the same name who battles the big C ..

so far extending predicted 6months left to 5 years courtesy of apparently - apricot kernels - probably more to it though ..

oh yeah @mutanto .. that scrummy Tig from you has rather open "V" shaped spines

- not parallel/equidistant.. but umm i guess i shd take a pic or 2 to save tryna describe them

as 6-missing-legged-spiders or something daft :3

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My Lorraine is doing quite well. Spiney as crap, but that's expected for a young one . Still a long way off flowering though. I'll get some pics tomorrow.

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OMG, BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!! My new favorite cactus of all time and I'm not kidding :lol: Lorraine is an absolute 'MUST HAVE' Aussie treasure! Thanks for discovering this one, zed.:wub: Looks like a lot of grafting ahead of me...

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Look familiar? The owner of this specimen said that it came from Nimbin. 

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Hard to say. What state is the Lorraine mother plant in anyway? All I can say is "Get some!" Bridge 'Lorraine' is the only name you need to know :) Aussie Aussie Aussie!!!

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On 07/05/2021 at 12:52 PM, Halcyon Daze said:

OMG, BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!! My new favorite cactus of all time and I'm not kidding :lol: Lorraine is an absolute 'MUST HAVE' Aussie treasure! Thanks for discovering this one, zed.:wub: Looks like a lot of grafting ahead of me...

Thanks HD, was heaps of fun!

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