MORG Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 This just came up on the EGA Facebook page. Someone has found 50-60 ringbarked mature A. obtusifolia in a NSW national park. Link below, click through for pictures. Absolutely deplorable behaviour. Events like this WILL have a profound negative impact on the local environment. If the person who did this is reading this, I urge you first to slap yourself. Ringbarking all the mature trees in an area is effective local extermination of a species. The genetic and seed resource of these trees will not be replaced. How do we stop it? Perhaps Atlas of Living Australia needs to have restricted access to information on "sensitive" species? We can't set up cameras on every stand of Acacia. http://the-nexian.me/home/knowledge/131-when-dmt-equals-killing-the-environmentWhen DMT Equals Killing the Environment"What I saw yesterday has left me sickened and shocked. I took the Nexian, Spice Sailor, to see a very special and pristine nature reserve in a national park where there were large mother seed trees of Acacia obtusifolia. We went simply to enjoy the presence of the trees and the bush. This was a sacred site, too sensitive to touch, I would have thought. To our dismay, every single mature tree was either dead or dying. They had been completely stripped of bark, or had so much taken that they could no longer live. Every one of them was bare—maybe 50-60 trees—except for some very small saplings not yet ready to produce seed. At the rate these trees grow in the wild, they would have been between 20-50 years old. A few were older. I understand that there are greedy and ignorant people out there, but this is the worst case I have ever seen. If the perpetrator(s) were ignorant, then let me say yet again that taking bark kills trees! Then it is another 15-20 years before other trees grow to such a large size. As stated several times, the small twigs have the same percent alkaloid content as the bark. There is no need to cause long term harm or kill these trees. As I've said, if you're growing trees, you realize that killing them for trunk bark is wasteful and stupid…you can prune a branch. Please stop and think about what you’re doing. Nature reserves are there to protect the plants! If the people who did this acted out of greed, then they have stupidly destroyed what was a tremendous sustainable supply. The amount of bark taken indicates very large-scale dealing. Please, if you care about the future of these trees and the environment in general, don't support the sale of DMT; you are inadvertently supporting this kind of environmental carnage. The people who do this are as callous as mining companies and have no qualms about harming the environment. These trees were part of the ecosystem; providing shelter for numerous birds and other creatures, and maintaining the soil. More than just the trees are harmed by this thoughtless act. Even worse, all of the seed-producing trees in this area are now gone. How will this arboreal community ever repopulate normally? This once pristine area will now be severely affected for decades. A place where the acacia naturally thrived is now unlikely to do so for a long time. If a bush fire takes out the saplings, these trees may never come back. Seeing this devastation makes me wish that I'd never been involved in efforts to spread knowledge about acacias, in case my doing so increased the likelihood of this happening. If trying to increase awareness of psychoactive plants leads to this, it isn't worth it. When we first started exploring acacias, we took time to describe the potential damage to these species presented by harvesting bark, and to insist that increasing species diversity as well as growing new trees and harvesting sustainably were crucial. But to what avail? So savage was the destruction I saw, I have to put it down to more than ignorance. It's a level of greed approaching evil. There are such people in this world who have no issues wreaking such environmental havoc. We see them in a myriad of forms around the world; the extractive energy companies, the industrial production and refinement facilities, the drug cartels in Mexico or elsewhere. The main ways to stop them are to not support their trade and to disrupt their ability to act with impunity. Share the knowledge of what is going on and find ways to take action to prevent the atrocities with which they are so comfortable. So, Australians (and anyone else) reading this, the situation is now serious for this acacia, and it is the direct result of the selling and buying of DMT. I doubt the people who do this even take the substance much. The Nexus has lots of information on sustainable and easy to find sources of DMT, strains of Phalaris for instance, as well as great examples of growing acacias. Use them! Other than trying to increase awareness of this sorry situation, which shames the Australian entheogen community, the other action I'll take is to inform the national parks authority about what is going on in that particular area (in NSW) so they can monitor it more closely. If anyone else has any other ideas, we would like to hear about them. And if there is more of this horror going on elsewhere, please speak up and let us know. I can't believe that in 20 years I've watched beautiful pristine areas turn into graveyards due to people looking for a molecule that is meant to expand their consciousness! It's a crime against nature. If anyone reading this has any idea of who did this, please try to educate them as to the harm they've caused—not just to the environment, but to their own future options. These are dark days for DMT, indeed, when DMT means death and habitat destruction. For those growing the trees; thank you deeply. This work goes hand in hand with utilizing the compounds they provide. One more time, for the ignorant: don't take trunk bark. It will kill the tree and—in the case of A. obtusifolia—they are not fast growing in the wild. It’s so sad that I have to have to say this again. I thought we were getting somewhere." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyPants Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 That's horrible Why don't people want to know all there is to know about the whole plant? Or at least what a person is more or less capable of understanding. It's so much more rewarding. I can't honestly say I haven't made noob mistakes, but ringbarking that many trees can't escape ignorance surely??I recently encountered the dilemma of speaking with someone close to me about substances. I made the decision to not tell him about Dee. I could probably trust him with the interest of the spirit plant(s), but I don't trust his friends' circle. The learning about it all was a huge part of the journey for me, and I think the appreciation was far bigger for having waited until she presented herself.We can only hope Gaia will prevail and that there are plenty of still viable seeds under earth waiting for the right conditions to re-establish 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fydesvindico Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with some people hey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-YT- Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Yeah this is sad, These pieces of shit most probably know about harvesting phyllodes, fallen twigs/brances etc as anyone who reads the widely available literature would know... it very much seems like trying to maximize profit at the expense of a whole ecosystem... Greedy much? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strontium Dawg Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I see it all the time, my local obtusifolias are constantly having trunk bark stripped. Even when they aren't ringbarked, the trees are badly damaged and whole sections die off, leaving the tree sick and struggling to survive. It sucks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fydesvindico Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I know of patch in NNSW that is in beautiful condition, it is visited frequently by the looks of it, but only branches and phyllodes seem to be taken.. The trees are stout and bushy, almost like the harvesting of them is keeping them healthier than they would normally be. I don't understand the need to be stripping trees when there are so many more sustainable options available.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtarman Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 It's fucked up hey. I always imagine the people who do this sort of thing as the orcs who destroy the gardens in Isengard in Lord of the Rings, when they're all lighting fires and pulling the trees out to satisfy an evil wizard.I guess these guys are doing it to satisfy their own evil wizards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitrogen Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 In South America there are "brujo" ayahuasca shamans - shamans who use practice dark magic and evil - they sometimes try to kill other ayahuasca shamans and generally practice evil acts.A friend of mine feels that in the modern world, some people who get into the shamanic realm are "unconscious brujos" - they are functioning as evil shaman types without intending to or being aware that they are.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunter Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Many people see nature as something humans ha e dominion over and cannot harm because they view nature as some indestructible thing made by an invisible man who lives in the sky.Other people simply do not care and will take what they can when they can from who they can, kind of like the land of Australia, Canada, and the USA. If you care about a tree in the USA you are in a minority and are often treated as if you are insane or stupid.The exploitation of trees in this way can be fought against but cannot be eradicated. The best solutions are typically those that involve conservation efforts. Attempt when possible to plant twenty new trees for every old tree damaged.Or simply wait for the person(s) to come back, remove as much of their skin as it takes to remind them of what they did and throw them in a hole. A lot of people go missing in OZ every year... (don't kill or skin people or trees) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuserformallyknownasd00d Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Poor form! Lucky I've found a few spots where it is feral and looks reasonably untouched. Maybe one day they will become future seed stocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianDreaming Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I can't see any benefit to notifying the authorities, they're likely to burn down the trees to stop people from harvesting them... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briliant_botanist Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 THIS IS SIMPLY A DEPLORABLE heinous unforgivable disgusting & just downright LOW arse act those whom perpertrated this act need to be treated in a like manner in which they have harmed these Sacred trees & the surrounding ecosystem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghosty Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 that is discusting indeed, such a wonderful magestic plant. I wouldnt be supprised if it was the authorities, based on what i've seen them do in my 40 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuserformallyknownasd00d Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 How so ghosty? I'm interested in your thoughts on this...Ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meditator Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Man that DMTs gonna have bad mojo on it. Probably give you a bad trip. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meditator Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I wonder if it strengthens the tree when the regrowth grows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghosty Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I dont think that Acacia takes to cappicing. dont think it suckers either.I have yet to see any "group" other than government "appear" to be so destructive to all that must be raped for profit. oh.. sory, I meant to say nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toby Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Some places they are many stemmed,and stems will die back of their own accord from time to time.I'm not sure if the more tree type form that occurs in some areas have this feature?Will certainly reshoot after fire in some cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watertrade Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Some places they are many stemmed,and stems will die back of their own accord from time to time.I'm not sure if the more tree type form that occurs in some areas have this feature?Will certainly reshoot after fire in some cases. I was recently checking out some stands of obtusifolia that had been fully burnt out in the 2013 Sydney bush fires. I think in some cases the trees burnt out last year were what came up after the 2001 fires. Anyway they appear to have suckered from original trees given the size of the trees. On a positive note, some of the areas I have seen in Sydney have never looked better in the seven years or so I have been watching them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strontium Dawg Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Obtusifolia are a tough plant, they grow up in between cracks in solid rock near me, it amazes me that they can even get started in some of the places they do. Virtually no soil or rootspace, and direct sunlight only a few hours a day.I often just like to sit down amongst them and meditate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flora Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 ye i have seen it reshoot from the roots after being totally cleared by fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Ringbarking is just a shithouse thing to do. Just shithouse. It's a slow cruel death for such a beautiful thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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