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Trichocereus ID help

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Any guesses? I am now strongly leaning towards one species, and I want to see what you all think before giving more info and back story.

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Looks like my grafted terscheckii. Is that what you are leaning towards?

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No, but its what I really, really hoped! :lol:

My guess was probably chiloensis, it did started looking like terscheckii, but I thought that was just wishfull thinking. My other grafted terscheckii, smaller than this, all have 12+ ribs and more outwardly curved spines.

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I know! I have a couple grafted chiloensis var. zizkaanus, beautiful plants! What made me think this is a variant of it was rough epidermis, 8 ribs, thick and long spines.

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Hi Guys, this could very well be a Chilensis. It´s a very small Plant to say for sure, but the Top View does not look like Terscheckii to me. Maybe the perspective is deceiving, but I´d be hesitant to call it a Terscheckii right now.

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Thanks EG, my thoughts as well. Ill definitely udate as it grows. The seeds actually came from koehres as macrogonus.

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Btw its larger than it probably looks on the photos, the central spines are at least 3 cm long, and the plant is about 5cm in diameter.

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I think the chilensis scenario might be spot on...

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I'm really confused about this plant, it seems to be showing characteristics of several species, I'd guess it could easily be a mutt of some sort. Whatever it is, it's quickly becoming one of my favorite plants, it looks absolutely stunning already, and I'm not too fussy about putting the 'correct label' on a plant. Safe to say it's not macrogonus at least. :P

When I get my camera back I'll take some more pictures, with some sort of size reference, because that Opuntia is 8 cm at it's widest point, but the whole graft looks much smaller in these photos.

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Pretty sure it's chilensis! Third pic gives it away! Can't wait to see more pics of it later!

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hi folks...

i've got quite a few that look a bit like those, they are some porky pines!... were labeled Macrogonus from WSS bought towards the end of 2012. I think they possibly originated from Koehres, he had a few of their seed varieties for sale at the time but I never asked tho... mostly 9+ ribs and tough skin light green mostly yellow spines but some with a little darker colored bands... after counting one of the larger ones has 8 ribs (though that was another vendor name) I wonder where they'll settle... I made the mistake of putting 3 together in a 1.5 or 2 gallon pot and I think they're gonna be crowded very soon lol

I also got some that were on their own roots and they seemed to pretty much grow a bulb shape at first but are pretty much stalled, they were the fattest seedlings at first and the grafted ones are the fattest grafts of many... I planted the seedlings in pots at the end of the fall season last year and took them forever to wake up but i've neglected a bit this year and rain has been sparse, but we're having a spring like summer which is the chits... the third pic in the green plastic were also labeled Mac but under a different ebay name: Ibloc... also in the tray one row is from one vendor and the other row from the other vendor.... and the tray ones are mostly clones of each other.. funny how the cloned pups catch up to the mamas so much that on some im not sure which is which

sometimes I think the spines on the Ibloc ones are a little curvier (occasional) and then sometimes Im not sure but I think its cause they grow so aggressively they get caught at first and end up a little bent but they are a little darker spined and ive wondered if they're taquimbo allied, eh, cool plants. I really enjoy these and have been wondering about their ID quite a bit... i've got more than a couple dozen Chilensis from cactustore growing just over a month now but half a dozen of them on pereskies just a week ago...I'm anxious to see if they turn out similar to the koehres/wss sprouts

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okey these are not easy IDs at all

they can all be terscheckii , chilensis or tacaquirensis , including the supposed chilensis.. of the OP. I suppose they're not pascanas they would be spinier...

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yeah the only thing is the fact that they start out roundish causes me think one of the giants

played in this orgy... im leaning against there being any peruvianus/macrognus in there but who knows,

maybe Gerard anyone talk to Koehres? i know ALOT of these seeds went around...

the seedlings are fairly uniform and no sign of any extreme variances ..... so maybe or maybe not collection mutts

but neat to look at :P i'll make sure to update when they get some more girth... one of them did have 13 ribs early on

but I think shifted down already i'll have to check again

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Reminds me of the T. macrogonus CC757 I got from Bob Res a long time ago.

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~Michael~

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They look like Pasacana to me. Not typical pasacana but it would still fit the description somehow.

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hey Smith, you agree that cactus you depicted is a macrogonus?? not a tac/taq?

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hey Smith, you agree that cactus you depicted is a macrogonus?? not a tac/taq?

No, definitely T. tacaquirensis with a T. macrogonus label. I've grown from seed T. macrogonus from SBE, T. bolivianus, and T. lecoriensis which all were pretty much identical. Like normal T. tacaquirensis in spination, but with a much lighter skin color.

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sweet i've got some Boliviensis labeled seeds i thought maybe they were gonna be bridgesii lol

got some labeled Werdermannianus and Culpinensis from the same supplier and some sprouted but i didn't

plant the bolivies yet,,, I do have some from other Werdermannianus labeled seed and while the seedlings are similar

to these labeled macrogonus, they are different especially being more variable with spine color... even in the few i've got 3 or 4 grafted and 7 on their own roots... all these macs have fairly consistent spines that fade yellow to brown spines ... from one vendor some of them have hints of reddish color at the base of the spines (green pot) and I was leaning to those maybe being Taquimbos or allied .. I suppose the large difference in spine color variance could more reflect the specific parents rather than the whole species tho...

that really does look alot like it some of these MS ... I wanna see Quixote's pic in the OP of this thread but its not popping up

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=31228 maybe somwhat of an info trail on these I guess Pretty cool :D

would appreciate if you have any more info on CC757 that might lead to a pic of some parent plants

Thanks for posting what a tremendous lead I almost wanna say its the same but my eyes are a little tired

another thing I wanna note is that the seeds had a really low sprout rate... now i don't know about the age of the seeds

though im pretty sure they werent' the most fresh.. but im wondering is it common when sprouting taquimobos/werders/tacas

or giant species in general, is the sprout rate usually low or is it that only older seeds have come my way eh lol ... when I planted Werdermannianus the first time I had about 15 sprout out of 100 seeds... lately I sewed some Culpinensis and more Werder and about 40% sprouted in each.. I gave some of the mac labeled seeds away but I think I got roughly 30% sprout rate

a HUGE difference is that when Werders were grafted, they took FOREVER to pump on the peres... the first one took 11 months!

and the others more... I Still have one probably a year and a half grafted and just started pumping lol I acidentally smushed one earlier this year, with a camera lens it was like 12 or 14 months and just starting to sprout a tiny head with barely visible spines and ended up a goner RIP... I literally got depressed over that! the rest of them cheered me up tho... These labeled Mac, they

were exploding with growth in no time at all, though the seedlings on their own roots did stall (seedlings can be funny after transplanting tho)..

I was almost gonna make a post before about grafting Werders.. i had the same experience

with bridgesii grafts too .... wondering if its a Bolivian thing eh

I need to read up on Tacaquirensis vs Taquimbalensis/Werdermannianus/Culpinensis... i just googled

Tacaquirensis and these are really in the ball park for sure imo the longer spined variation in this bunch

from what i can tell

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tacaquirensis and taquimbalensis are synonyms .. werdermanianus is a rather no-good name, usually linked with terscheckii/pasacana complex, but lots of people get taquimbalensis when ordering werders, so go figure

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They look like Pasacana to me. Not typical pasacana but it would still fit the description somehow.

Now that you said that, I took a closer look at my plant, and it seems to be starting to exhibit the irreguralry curving spines characteristic of T. pasacana. So I guess it's entirely possible one of the parents was a pasacana. I'll post a few new pics in a day or two.

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A couple new pics.

The battery is AA size.

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It's not a fast grower by any means, but I love how it looks, exactly what my cacti collection was missing!

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let be honest - its too early to tell

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Yeah, of course, and as I said, I'm not too bothered about putting a 'correct label' on a plant, but it's still fun to speculate about what it's origins might be. :)

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so be it, I bet my money on chilensis or terscheckii.. I lean more to chilensis... hey is this Opuntia compressa?

I have the small advantage of having bought in the past a number of pasacana seedlings with some variety and grown it, some are still small..

IMO none of these seem spiny (number per areole) enough and irregularly spined enough to be called a pasacana..... so far...

and its the new growth spine colour (and maybe epidermis colour) that suggest chilensis rather than terscheckii...

EG might have found it from the begining after all....

but lets hope it will surprise us ...

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