Trichocereus - Altman Nursery Strains

[spinyGator]

Here are the strains from Altman Nursery in Vista, California

This is sold as T. Pachanoi, but it looks a lot more like a T. Huanucoensis

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Pups

T. Pachanoi Monstrose

cristate pups popping out from a semi-monstrose plant

T. Pachanoi "Altman's Colossus"

This cultivar looks similar to the Altman Monstrose but with more ridges and grow straight up without all the weird ridges

Common T. Pachanoi suspect it's a Huanucoensis Berkeley's Front Yard

but more information is need to confirm whether it's a PC or Huanucoensis BBG's Front yard ( Peru 56.1153) by noticing its flowering habits e.g. "time, hair color, petals color, etc."

Here is Berkeley Botanical Garden's Front Yard T. Huanucoensis ( Peru 56.1153)

Commonly seen T. Pachanoi, could be a PC form but has characteristics of a PC

[BillyThKid]

There are a lot of fat bastards in here. A lot of Peruvanoids i would like to have, not too interested in the PC pachanots but i like san pedro even the PC.

Not many long spine peruvians here, most look like pachanoi crosses of some kind or another. Any idea on the genetics>?

[spinyGator]

There are a lot of fat bastards in here. A lot of Peruvanoids i would like to have, not too interested in the PC pachanots but i like san pedro even the PC.

Not many long spine peruvians here, most look like pachanoi crosses of some kind or another. Any idea on the genetics>?

ya, the huanuco is my favorite

[spinyGator]

Any idea on the genetics>?

as someone said, we needs to genetically identify this since visual IDs is impossible since there are too many hybrids

[spinyGator]

Forgot the Altman Coloss

[magical9]

i have all of these! Sweet! finally more people with the altman plants. i love the first one pictured. so gorgeous. heres mine:

[nitrogen]

The second one down, which you call huanacoensis, looks very much like the one I call "TPQC," which I think is a pachanoi type but could also fit what I think of as a short spine macrogonus - you can check the first page of the "Connoisseur Hybrids 2012" thread for pics of that one.. I'm no expert at cactus ID and there is so much overlap - but the two look very similar.. The boundary between Peruvianus-macrogonus-pachanoi seems to be blurry..

Edited June 7, 2014 by nitrogen

[spinyGator]

i have all of these! Sweet! finally more people with the altman plants. i love the first one pictured. so gorgeous. heres mine:

nice plant indeed

[spinyGator]

you can check the first page of the "Connoisseur Hybrids 2012" thread for pics of that one..

nice plant indeed. I wonder how one plant can give you a monstrose, a cristate, and a regular, very unique stuff

[spinyGator]

The second one down, which you call huanacoensis, looks very much like the one I call "TPQC," which I think is a pachanoi type but could also fit what I think of as a short spine macrogonus

Mine just don't have any monstrose within them

[nitrogen]

Yea the one I have didn't have any crested in it either for years - I think it developed the trait due to snail attack rather than genetics - which is why I term it the "Quasi-Cristata" - the N1 x TPQC cross has so far not turned up any mutants either, which leads me feel more confident in the snail-attack explanation - though they are gorgeous little phenos in their own right..

[Philocacti]

But nitrogen non of the SS01xtpm seedling I have showed any mutation either, but most of the TPMxN1 show mutation eventually.

Which makes me think the mutation is inherited through the female not the male.

Do you know anyone who germinated the SS01XTPM seeds and got a mutation?

[zelly]

T. Pachanoi "Altman's Colossus"

Is that how Altman's has the plant labeled or is that a label you've given it.

[someone]

I agree with philo. I was always under the impression that the mothers traits were the dominant ones. But that is not to say you will not get seedlings which will exhibit both mothers and fathers traits. Another possibility could be that the growing.conditions determine which.traits become dominant.

[T-trich]

If I am not mistaken, that is what he labeled them (correct me if I am mistaken). Never seen an Altman plant labeled as huanucoensis or colossus. I am newer here, but have been collecting for about 15 years on and off. Most of the plants that Altman offer are either pc pachanoi or on that spectrum. By no means, am I an expert.....always learning something new here about IDing!

[spinyGator]

If I am not mistaken, that is what he labeled them (correct me if I am mistaken). Never seen an Altman plant labeled as huanucoensis or colossus. I am newer here, but have been collecting for about 15 years on and off. Most of the plants that Altman offer are either pc pachanoi or on that spectrum. By no means, am I an expert.....always learning something new here about IDing!

True, labeling is based characteristics toward certain clones, but there is variations among the altmans

[nitrogen]

The question of which type of genetics are involved in which traits is a good question to study. I can't recall the correct terminology, but basically, when genetics from a mother and father mix, the results can either be "combinative" or "binary" - some genes combine and some are "either/or" - with humans and blue eyes vs brown eyes, for instance, you get either/or - whereas with height, it can be a mix of the mother and the father. With cacti, I'm not sure which are which - looks like with the mutants though, it's either/or, and a lot of times with spination, it's "either/or"/"binary"..

The crosses with the TPM or TPC as father show mutant offspring at about a 25% rate vs about a 50% rate when the TPM or TPC is mother.

With the SS01 x TPM cross, my comrade Mel/vin did the pollinating, and he said that the other 10 other SS01 flowers he hit with the TPM pollen failed - he also said there was some risk of open-pollinating - and so I was never that confident in the cross, and only sent it w caveat to a very small number of people.. I did not sow any myself..

I also do not have a clear answer to the question of whether or not more than one father can pollinate a single flower - some people have reported mutants from the SS01 x TPM cross, though they seem to happen rarely enough that it could be attributable to the random mutants that arise from crosses of many sorts - or perhaps some of that SS01 flower took the TPM pollen while most of it had another father..

Edited June 7, 2014 by nitrogen

[EthnoGuy85]

I wish Altman made these different types available. I see PC pachanoi all the time at my local retail outlets but I've only found the monstrose once in 7+ years

[zelly]

Common T. Pachanoi suspect it's a Huanucoensis Berkeley's Front Yard

So basically spinygator, all you're doing here is posting up assloads of pc pach pics, referring to some as 'altmans huanucoensis' or 'altmans colossus'.

I'm surprised you havent named one 'altmans centipede' or some other such bullshit.

And why do you feel its necessary to post up the same gawd damn pic three times in the same post??

oh, & if you had a half a clue, you'd probably strip out the exif data in your pics before uploading them to the web, but then again, i could be mistaken. how do you like your Samsung SL620?

I'm still trying to figure out what you bring to the table, other than continuous piles of steaming bullshit.

[spinyGator]

So basically spinygator, all you're doing here is posting up assloads of pc pach pics, referring to some as 'altmans huanucoensis' or 'altmans colossus'.

I'm surprised you havent named one 'altmans centipede' or some other such bullshit.

And why do you feel its necessary to post up the same gawd damn pic three times in the same post??

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oh, & if you had a half a clue, you'd probably strip out the exif data in your pics before uploading them to the web, but then again, i could be mistaken. how do you like your Samsung SL620?

I'm still trying to figure out what you bring to the table, other than continuous piles of steaming bullshit.

chill bro, why u keep repeating the centipede that i named. I can smell jealousy. I haven't seen you post anything new except those old hybrids

[hostilis]

They don't all look like PC to me. That "huanacoensis" is really nice looking. Def not PC. Just looks like a pachanoi to me rather than huanacoensis though. Same with the "colossus" It's got v notches above the areoles which I've never seen on a PC pachanoi.

The stores near here that sell altman's plants only carry the PC pach. I would love to get a hold of the "huanacoensis" one. Super nice looking plant.

[someone]

I would assume that trichs could accept pollen from more than one donor. It just makes sense to me biologically and could also help account for the huge amount of variety in the wild.

I have noticed that we gardeners tend to forget we are working with a limited gene pool in cultivation compared to the massive amount of diversity we would find out in habitat. It is exciting when we find what appears to be a rare variety pop up in our gardens but we honestly don't know how common the trait can be in the wild.

Also applying a name to a cacti because it resembles a pic or another cacti you have seen just amounts to wishful thinking without knowing its true lineage. You might as well give it a.completely knew name and claim to have discovered it in the wild if that is what tje trichs collecting.community is being reduced to. But I guess it could be worse. We could be trying to id tephrocactus and cumulopuntia. Now talk about a mess of a genus haha.

[Evil Genius]

Long time, no see! The clones, of Course.

Edited June 7, 2014 by Evil Genius

[solaritea]

Don't forget Altman's T. poco (large one in back) and T. purpureopilosis (three smaller ones).

[spinyGator]

Don't forget Altman's T. poco (large one in back) and T. purpureopilosis (three smaller ones).

the poco looks good, reminds me of a candican