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MH370 MH-17 mass murder?!

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Ok... I think who shot the plane down is a relatively mute point considering what is likely to unfold over the next week or two.

As you all may be aware - Our subservient puppet PM has decided ( or told to decide ) to send in a contingency of not only AFP but armed special forces alongside dutch troops ( yes - soldiers ) into the middle of a hot warzone to secure a 50 square kilometre area to investigate a crime scene/plane crash - to remove bodies long since removed and to investigate an allready known to be contaminated investigation scene. Without even so much of a slight acknowledgement of the solid proof Russia has presented in regards to the situation - nor the american satellite imagery showing beyond doubt that the BUK missile that purportedly shot down the flight was surrounded by men in UKR military iniforms ( can provide links if needed )

Does this make sense to you ?

Lets see if my crazy tin foil hat deductions prove to be correct.

I am predicting that the dutch troops and Australian troops will come under fire - and I do not think it will be from the rebels nor russian entities. They have nothing to gain from such acts ( que bono ? ) I would presume if this occurs it will be the same entity that was sniping maidan protestors during the orange revolution to forment unrest and hatred toward Russia.

What will surely follow if ( or when ) this occurs will be direct NATO involvement against russian forces - and we all know where that will lead us. This is more about the petrodollar and the world currency than it is gas pipelines and energy corridors ( although that too is a major factor )

Here is an article from an independant journalist ( slightly pro russian but facts are facts )

I advise you to read this if any of these events are of interest to you.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/collapse-of-kiev-coalition-government-nato-envisages-military-intervention-in-east-ukraine/5393271

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No real reason for Aussie or Dutch troops to be there. The media shitstorm has totally ignored the fact that a civilian aircraft was flying over a warzone. Muscles being clenched, a lot of unnecessarily aggressive talk against Russia. This is not a good situation. There is no need for a military buildup unless you want a showdown or reason for extended conflict. Abbott the Puppet, with the backing of the Murdoch Media once again ignore the real crisis in our civilization and fall back on aggression and worldwide conflict to distract attention. Just when we thought we were making headway on dealing with the real problems, capitalism and a destabilizing environment.

We are being led by psychopaths.

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http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/26/mh17-j26.html a must read for those interested

Im going to edit this link in so I do not spam the shit out of the forums with this thread - But this is the most comprehensive and convincing and verifiable article I have read to date on this latest plane disaster.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/25/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag-attack/

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^^ That's exactly how I read the situation, to a "T".

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Its mass slaughter....95% of the weapons to execute are us....maybe if us stop supplying israel,,stop gifting them billions of tax payers funds to murder with...?

...& really a concern

re" Provocative Australian-Dutch push for security forces at MH17 crash site"

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This would be far more entertaining as a rap battle. From now on all tirades must rhyme.

And you must come up with proper mc names.

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Soz that was for anon and foo.

Sad what has happened and is happening, humans can be fucked up cruel creatures.

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Are you ready for war—including possibly nuclear war—between the United States, Europe, and Russia? That is the question that everyone should be asking him- or herself in light of the developments since the destruction of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17.


The crisis provoked by American and European charges of Russian responsibility for the shooting down of flight MH17 has brought the world the closest it has been to global war since the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. But the situation today may be even more dangerous. A half century ago, the Kennedy administration—haunted by fears that miscalculations on either side could precipitate a nuclear exchange—sought to keep the lines of communications open and avoid the demonization of Soviet leaders.


Today, on the other hand, the CIA is directing an incendiary propaganda campaign against Russia and its president, Vladimir Putin, a campaign that seems intent on provoking a direct military confrontation with the country with the second largest nuclear arsenal in the world. There is no question that the CIA is mobilizing all the resources and assets it commands—within governments, the media, and among academics—in a carefully orchestrated campaign aimed at polluting public opinion with anti-Russian hysteria.


As of now, there is nothing approaching a definitive explanation of the chain of events that led to the destruction of MH17. Despite all the massive surveillance technology at its disposal, upon which it lavishes tens of billions of dollars annually, the US intelligence agencies have not produced a shred of hard evidence to back up the accusations of Russian responsibility.


But while the physical circumstances surrounding MH17’s destruction remain unknown, the political purposes to which this tragedy is being put to use have become all too clear.


Since the beginning of the week, the three most influential mass circulation newsmagazines of the United States, Britain, and Germany—Time, The Economist, and Der Spiegel—have published cover stories that combine wild accusations against Vladimir Putin with demands for a showdown with Russia.


The most striking and obvious characteristic of these cover stories is that they are virtually identical. The CIA has scripted them all. The stories employ the same insults and the same fabrications. They denounce Putin’s “web of lies.” The Russian president is portrayed as a “depraved” mass murderer.


What is the Russian president to make of the use of this sort of language in the most influential newsmagazines? He is on the receiving end of the same campaign of vilification that was previously directed against Serbia’s Slobodan Milosevic, Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi, and Syria’s Bashar al-Assad. Putin certainly knows the outcome of these propaganda campaigns. Serbia was bombed into political submission and Milosevic was carted off to The Hague, where he died, mysteriously, in prison. Iraq was invaded and Hussein executed. Libya was also invaded, and Gaddafi —much to the amusement of Hillary Clinton—was savagely tortured and lynched. As for Assad, the United States has directed a bloody insurgency that has resulted in the deaths of more than 100,000 Syrians.


Given this record, Putin could hardly be accused of paranoia were he to conclude that the United States and its European allies want him dead. Therefore, one must ask, what impact might this well-grounded suspicion have on his own course of action as the confrontation escalates?


In all three cover stories, the governments of Western Europe and the United States are taken to task for failing to move against Putin and Russia. The three magazines adopt a tone of angry impatience with what they perceive to be insufficient aggressiveness. They all argue that the time for talk is over.Der Spiegel declares “The wreckage of MH17 is also the wreckage of diplomacy.”


How should this statement be interpreted? If diplomacy has failed, it can only mean that war is imminent.


In its article “In Russia, Crime without Punishment,” Time attacks Obama for asking Putin to assist in the investigation of the crash rather than immediately threatening Russia with war. It writes, “This was the crisis in a nutshell: the least Putin could do was the most Obama could ask for. The American President announced no deadlines, drew no red lines and made no threats.”


The invocation of “deadlines,” “redlines,” and “threats” is the language of war. How else should these words be read?


Time attacks Italy and France and even the Obama administration and the American people for not backing aggression against Russia: “Putin doesn’t have a lot to worry about when he looks at the forces aligned against him. Obama, as the leader of a war-weary nation, has ruled out all military options, including the provision of weapons to Ukraine.” Clearly, Time wants to place military options on the table.


In its lead editorial, entitled “A web of lies,” The Economist follows the same script, accusing the West of vacillation. “The Germans and Italians claim to want to keep diplomatic avenues open, partly because sanctions would undermine their commercial interests. Britain calls for sanctions, but it is reluctant to harm the City of London’s profitable Russian business. America is talking tough but has done nothing new.”


The coordinated media campaign is already producing the desired effect. On Tuesday the Obama administration and the European Union announced that they had agreed on a new set of tougher sanctions. These measures are being interpreted as a transitional measure toward what Financial Timescolumnist Wolfgang Munchau describes as “The Atom Bomb of Financial War.” Munchau’s piece has been published not only in the Financial Timesbut also in Der Spiegel.


By a combination of military threats and economic strangulation, the US and the EU are moving to politically destabilize Russia. As their continuous references to the Russian oligarchs make clear, they are hoping that the financial sanctions will encourage a conspiracy to overthrow and even murder Putin. The regime envisaged by Washington would convert Russia into a neo-colonial protectorate, entirely subordinated politically, economically and militarily to US imperialism.


Of course, were Putin to shift course and accommodate himself to US demands, the media campaign would make the necessary adjustments. However, events can proceed in a direction unforeseen in any CIA scenario.


The recklessness of a policy of destabilizing Russia, a power that controls the world’s second-largest arsenal of nuclear weapons, is staggering. As military forces are set on alert throughout Eastern Europe and the Black Sea region, and Ukrainian and Russian forces exchange artillery fire along their borders, the possibility for a miscalculation is mounting by the day.


Whatever the short-term outcome, the long-term implication of the agenda being pursued by the United States and the European imperialist powers leads inexorably in the direction of war with cataclysmic consequences. The greatest danger facing the working class is that decisions are being taken behind the scenes, with masses of people largely unaware of the risks facing the world’s population.


A hundred years ago this week, World War I was launched by small cabals of ministers, monarchs, and business interests throughout Europe, whose decision to risk everything on victory in war led to deaths numbering in the tens of millions. Today, similar forces are setting into motion a drive to a conflagration that could lead to the destruction of the planet.


There is no means to stop the momentum toward war except through the politically-conscious intervention of the working class. Anyone who believes that a nuclear war is impossible because modern governments, unlike those that were in power in 1914, would not risk catastrophe, is deluding himself. If anything, the regimes that exist today are even more reckless. Beset by mounting economic and social problems for which they have no progressive solution, they are ever-more inclined to see war as a risk worth taking.


This is why the International Committee of the Fourth International insists upon the urgency of building an international anti-war, anti-imperialist, and anti-capitalist movement of the working class.


David North and Alex Lantier http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/pers-j30.html


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I think the US government has been taken over by vested interest for a long time now, backed only by its ally Britain its influence has been muted by a cautious Europe whose diverse governments have been too close, region wise, to be blase about starting wars in the Middle East and Russia. But now Australia has entered the fray, with an aggressive government that is showing blatant signs of fascism and aggression towards not just foreigners but towards its own citizens. This has changed the picture and allowed plans for world domination to be pushed forward somewhat. I believe that our current government is the lynchpin in corporate aggression and we are the ones who may have to make a stand to prevent world war.

I am shocked at the attitude of our government. It's instant and overly aggressive stance towards the downing of a plane which was flying over a war zone shows signs of a pre-planned event, when you take into account the lack of interest shown in the bombing of children in Palestine which is happening at the same time, it is clear that there is an agenda at work against Russia. While it is apparent the conflict in the Ukraine has been backed by Russia, what is less well shown by the corporate media is that it was initiated by the US which initially supplied the aggressive Ukraine with "non-weapon supplies" (and, of course, we don't really know that it didn't supply weapons). I don't condone Russia's standalone attempts to help it's neighbours without UN support, it's also clear that the UN never really gives support to Russian efforts to gain a peaceful outcome. I feel that corporate led America has never really given peace a chance, it ignores or inflates conflicts where resources are available, and blindly ignores others, especially in Africa, where they can usually just pay for the profits of war without actually getting involved.

I don't want war on my own land, and I don't want democracy and peace to be shattered, but the corporate influence on our governments is gaining a foothold which is destroying that for us, as can be seen when our own governments treat us all with massive suspicion and an ever tighter hand of control. I am hereby promoting a peaceful solution, which starts with the removal of the fascist Abbott government and a strong look at the influence corporations have on our government to make it accountable once more to the people.

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How does one go about removing abbot ? and would we just be replacing tweedle dum with tweedle dee.

I get the feeling that if we gave our government the boot and started a whole new system we would soon end up like Iraq or Libya.

Protest does not work. A violent revolution would be the wrong way to go about it - and since we have all been unarmed well... you know. The masses are just too easily programmed.

I hate bringing negative things like this to the forefront of people's minds but being aware is the first step.

This is no crazy conspiracy theory. This IS happening right now. TPTB "are" planning a thermonuclear war. PERIOD.

Now would be the time for an ET intervention ( you never know right.. lol )

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yeah revolutions are crazy.....few succeed....& I don't see any solutions....ultimately..assuming electrons are legit.....most people are sleepwalking...most people elect tweedle dum & dee ..(Bot's image) .so we are all fucked.....

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same old same old...now historic & public info from Kennedy's period......

"Operation Northwoods was a series of proposals that originated within the Department of Defense....

The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts.[3] To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Note; London has had the black box for 4 weeks now....why has the evidence not been publicised?

://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Rp3P2wDKQK4

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Note; London has had the black box for 4 weeks now....why has the evidence not been publicised?

Probably because there is no legal requirement of either them or the crash investigators to release anything until they have finished a full investigation.

Plus from what I've seen from photos of the debris I doubt they will be able to pull anything really of interest from it anyways, shrapnel damage hints at detonation in close proximity to the cockpit = instant mince meat on the flightdeck and mostly all electronics in the avionics bay cut off instantly

Most likely both FDR and CVR will show normal flight one second and nothing the next, if they are lucky the last fraction of a second will hint towards a violent breakup.

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The suggestion of guilt - is the share lack of interest the western media now has re MH-17 tragedy....Australian & Dutch citizens were among the many who's murder, evidence may suggest - was premeditated by a western backed fascist regime, The Ukraine.... the possible use a jet fighter to shot down a passenger liner, after its redirection over a military war zone....why aren't the politicians screaming?...maybe because we are nothing more than expendable porns ...collateral damage...even the many children that were brutally murdered that day.............

a 20 min doc by Rt ...just aired......

"Three months after Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was brought down over Ukraine,"

The doc promo 1 min

://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=I0tjMrSGMak

1st 1/2 of doc 20 mins

://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iuoIw3jBV4g

http://rt.com/shows/documentary/197540-mh-17-crash-ukraine/

Russia continues relentlessly to call for war crimes investigations over the whole Ukraine abomination ...understandably the west shows no interest ...

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