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Yeah I saw Kada's thread, but sadly after the pics were removed :'(

Mmm true, I'm definitely going to be mass sowing loph seeds, going to get a whole heap of fricii and diffusa to sow seeing as they are the ones that seem to have some uniqueness about them when it comes to cultivating. (and they're sexier in my opinion ;D)

Also, I may have a Kikko.... but I'm not too sure at the moment as it's too young, but if I do that get the sexiness in earlier!

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Check out this one I grew from seed that's flowering right now.

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Quite sexy! I found the cultivator's page on how he prepares his soil.

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~hama-jj/saibai_youdo.html

It's quite interesting how it's done...

"1. Hard red ball soil (small) remove large drop. To use for bedding for the bottom, large grain was removed.

15% those coconut shell activated carbon

2. mixing 30% Kanuma soil real 10% (soil improvement or so) cotton

Verminculite 10%, and is changed (dries fast) to heavier (water retention size) lighter the percentage depending on the variety

3. Red ball soil, blending, speck take firm all"

That's google translation (fixed a little by me), but it seem like the Red Ball Soil is Scoria? and small Scoria? rocks are used at the bottom as drainage.

Then a mix of 15% Activated Coconut Shell Carbon, 30% Kanuma soil (used in Bonsai), (10% Cotton)? and Vermiculite (which seems to vary depending on the type of cactus).

Not 100% sure but it's an interesting mix, especially for Lophs...

He has some quite interesting techniques when it comes to growing cacti, and goes into a lot with his cultivation

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~hama-jj/saibai_2.htm

I'm definitely going to try and read into it when I have free time (as hard as it is with badly translated google translate)

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Interesting..

Gee you're really trying on this one aren't you Sabry!

Good luck on your ventures :)

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I like their slogan on the webpage "How to cultivation better a cactus"

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Got to love the Google Translate 'Engrish' :P

Haha yeah, so down to do this! Imagine all these sexy cultivars in Aus!

Just need to find bulk amount of fricii and diffusa seeds!

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The last time I got fricii and diffusa from koehres the germination rates were actually pretty nice. 60% with diffusa and 80% with fricii. But who knows what they are now.

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M S Smith posted this in a Loph x Astro thread

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It mentions that a cross with Mammillaria boscana shows slightly within the loph, maybe there's been some crosses along the way that help add character to the loph cultivars....?

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Friend just sent me a picture of his loph ario hybrid....

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Also found someone with diffusa kioke seeds

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might not be as unique as some cutivars, but it's a jump ahead!

hopefully they still have some seed left!

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Poke a seed into an orange...

Poke a seed into a watermelon.

Poke a seed into a psylocybe.....

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Can all the cacti in the first photos be grown from seeds or are those random.mutations? Also stupid question but what does the acronym cv stand for?

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It's pretty much pick and choose which seedlings you like and then breed them for their genetics, etc. and they would be all from seed.

Self fertilising seed have a higher chance of being unique as they are... well you could say... inbred.

cv stands for cultivar.

"(cultivar = cultivated variety) a form of a plant commercially or scientifically important derived from cultivation.

Cultivar names are given when the mutation occurs due to human influence. Examples: a mutation occurs in a greenhouse (or because of human involvement such as breeding, applying mutagens, propagation, or by cultural practices) The abreviation cv. is used to signify that the mutation is a cultivar. cv. is placed after the specific epithet and is not underlined or italicised.
Example: Astrophytum asterias cv. Onzuka or single quotes of cv. Astrophytum asterias 'Onzuka'
How to write:
1. The cultivar name is written after cv. or within the single quotes ( '....' ).
2. Capitalize the cultivar name.
3. Never underline or italicise the cultivar name.
Example: Astrophytum asterias cv. Onzuka or Astrophytum asterias 'Onzuka' Where a species' variation is great or strongly different from the normal and sufficiently mutated it is called a 'sport'."

I would bookmark this page, very useful. http://cactiguide.com/glossary/

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I have never seen seeds from these cultivated varieties where as from time to time I do see a plant available.

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There is another forum out there dedicated to cactus cultivars http://www.cactuscultivars.com/forum/ for anybody interested.

There is not much there that is lopho specific, mostly astros and arios, but they do have a lot of info on cv. development and breeding.

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I have never seen seeds from these cultivated varieties where as from time to time I do see a plant available.

Some of these cv. are actually hybrids and are likely sterile.

I'll be crossing this lopho av with a desirable trait with a 'normal' cactus then cross the promising offspring and likely backcross if I can't find 2 offspring; with a few generations the trait should be stable.

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I applied for Import Permit in Canada, $35 for 3 years, I can import with absolutely no problem cactuses from Thailand. Except that plants must be clean. In Thailand, Phyto + CITEs costs about $15.

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I got this as a monstrose from Thailand. It was all green and cristate looking.

After regrafted to separate pieces they reverted to normal growth andgot all purple.

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Yeah, I've had a few crest revert once grafted, the thing is that the genetics may still be in there, i know of some people who have had lophs crest after 15 years of normal growth, so who knows!

I've managed to score myself a Lophophora williamsii x Mammillaria bocasana, that has a deep fuschia flower. Reminds me a lot of Jourdaniana (further pushing the Jourd being a loph x mamm hybrid idea in my own head). Some have said that it's a lie and I was given a fake, but I've seen the mother and it was a light pink flowered willi, also it was given to me for free, so there wasn't the whole lie for profit thing going on. Anyway, I think I've been chatting to too many people who disagree :P here's a photo of it flowering!

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Also I've gotten my hands on Lophophora fricii cv. Takenaka Lizard Skin which is a tasty tasty tasty looking loph! and some normal/non-lizard skin Takenakas.... nothing here but photos! Maybe will try breeding these with some other kinds of lophs, if I stumble on any different cv's it'll make creating a new cv easier!

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So with a lot of these cv's they're just mutations that appear from a ridiculous amount of criss crossing among plants, pollinate a whole bunch of hand picked lophs with each other in some massive orgy and you'll end up with a whole lot of seed, sow all of those seeds and you're bound to get something a little strange, grow them and then inbreed and crossbreed heaps more and you'll slowly start get some sexy specimens.

One little guy that I've managed to get passed onto was this guy who popped out of a bunch of seed from a guy that I met. Kind of looks like it's on the way to that Ooibo cv I posted before.
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Also after chatting with some masters around Asia, turns out (maybe specifically in Thailand) that the supposed Astro X Loph is actually just a Lophophora diffusa mutation, they've named it Lophophora diffusa cv. Urtraman. In circulation around Asia, although Super Super SUPER rare, still unsure if seed exists.

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Hopefully will have some crazy cv's around Aus soon!

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Very beautiful specimen, however what you say worries me as I don't want any cross hybridization between my Lophophoras and mammallaria (or any other genus at that.

I recently reintroduced L. diffusa to my collocation and I'm hoping (based on kadakuda's website) that they won't cross pollinate with the williamsii'.

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Those are some pretty awesome cultivars you have there Sabry. Hopefully that hybrid is real. I have a supposed LophxTubincarpus cross that I love. I'm not sure if it is real, but there are some rather unique characteristics.

Also that Lophophora diffusa cv. Urtraman is bad ass! I'd really like to see some more examples of it, and what an older specimen looks like. Bummer google didn't turn up any results, so I guess it is "Super Super SUPER rare."

Philo, as far as unintentional cross genus/species hybrids go I think you are in a position of little risk. It is my understanding that even when specifically attempting to create such crosses (especially inter-genus crosses) odds of successful pollination are fairly low, and beyond that the viability of the seed produced is fairly low. Obviously this is not the case with all genus/species (Trichocereus and Echinopsis for example), but I think Lophos tend to be less likely to hybridize freely.

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Saw the talk on mutagens and thought I might offer this, "Ethylmethane sulfonate (EMS) is a very dangerous mutagenic and carcinogenic substance that must only be used and disposed of in a laboratory familiar with the handling of powerful mutagens. Generally, seeds are allowed to soak overnight in water, and then exposed to a solution of 0.2% (w/v) EMS on a shaker for 24 hours. The seeds are then rinsed ten times, and allowed to germinate. Armed with a proven protocol, the daylily breeder should hire a professional facility to treat his seeds, and perhaps even seek their help in devising an optimal course of treatment. Successful mutagenesis is suggested by a lethality rate of 50%. Tetraploidy doubles up the chromosomes, which can be great, but EMS has the power of making point mutations, that is, it leaves the chromosomes super-structure and count largely intact, but will modify individual genes in horticulturally novel ways. It may create new shapes such as reliable polypetals, yet unseen colors and patterns, as well as totally unexpected results. You are unlikely to see anything but dominant mutations in the treated seeds. Since most mutations will be recessive, it will be necessary to self-pollinate the plants that that survived the EMS treatment. It is from their offspring that the majority of interesting new mutants will be found. 

As most mutations are deleterious, a very large number of treated seeds will have to be planted in order to find the gem in the army of EMS treated runts. http://web-o-rama.net/daylilies/daylilytetraploidinduction.html

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

On the topic of colchicine and doubling the chromosomes... the main benefit I see there is the ability to double up on genes and of course the possibility to create new phenotypes based on the fact that new combinations of genes not possible before may be suddenly be possible. There are of course pro's and cons to that as recessives may be harder to get to express as well unless you are in fact dealing with breeding doubled recessives in the first place.

 

 

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