Micromegas Posted May 8, 2014 Hey, Zelly already posted a photo but here it is again. This plant grows to about 3 or 4ft tall and I classify it as a peru x ??? It must have been crossed 10-15 yrs ago at least because i bought it as a cutting from who knows who, and not as a seedling. One day when I live more permanently with my garden I will make some seed as it must be a fantastic parent plant. This is a very unique cactus. Someone, somewhere, did a very good job and I tip my hat to them, sometimes i wonder did they even know it produced such brilliant pink flowers? 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted May 8, 2014 Hi Micromegas, yes, I am not really seeing the full plant, but I assume it is a flowering Tulhuayascensis! The only San pedro with a non-white flower. Extremely rare Plant, especially with that size. Is that your Plant and can you breed with it? It would be so cool to see some hybrids with it! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted May 8, 2014 An interesting statement from Snu's book: (pg 336) T. Validus Apparently a different plant is available horticulturally under the same name; it is a clumping plant with red flowers (Smith 2000), as opposed to the large columnar plant with white flowers described by Curt Backeberg (Backeberg 1959). It is most likely Backebergs's species that was used in Agurell et al's analysis (Smith 2000). Quoting Snu's book: (pg 335) in n.e. Peru a variegated form of San Pedro with white and red flowers, known as 'San Pedro misha', is said to be particularly (censored). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamwalker. Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) "is said to be particularly (censored)."............this makes it interesting...... Shame your not more settled, that would be some great seed. From here to there and back again http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17505637 Edited February 24, 2015 by Dreamwalker. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Micromegas Posted May 10, 2014 Some interesting information here. I can't find out much about Tulhuayascensis, just one picture and then this thread! The picture doesn't have the same spination, flower colour is right on. Here's a better pic of the spination. This is a few year back. Once day i will make a cross. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) Extremely rare and fantastic Plant, Micromegas! This is either the One I mentioned or a Hybrid, which would be really surprising if someone didn´t intentionally bred it. But i really think it´s Tulhuayascensis, despite the spination is not typical. It may have been grown out of one of Ritters Seed Bags, that were shipped around the world because seed-grown plants can be extremely variable. This Trichocereus is extremely close to Trichocereus Tarmaensis and i think it grows nearby. Edited May 10, 2014 by Evil Genius Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamwalker. Posted May 10, 2014 (edited) http://sacredsucculents.com/cactaceae/ Edited February 24, 2015 by Dreamwalker. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M S Smith Posted May 10, 2014 Yeah, Tarma, Peru is only about 92 km northwest of Huachac. They are both on the eastern side of the Andes divide, this as opposed to T. peruvianus which is on the western side. T. cuzcoensis, though a bit further southeast is also on the eastern side of the Andes. Since most Echinopsis are diurnal bloomers and Trichocereus are nocturnal bloomers how does this play out with flowering schedules in crosses? ~Michael~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted May 11, 2014 Since most Echinopsis are diurnal bloomers and Trichocereus are nocturnal bloomers how does this play out with flowering schedules in crosses? plants are clueless to the labels imposed upon them, know what I mean? I've seen trich flowers open & remain open for 48+ hours, mostly opening at dusk or slightly before. besides, what does it matter what time of the day a flower opens if pollen remains viable for weeks if not longer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M S Smith Posted May 11, 2014 I was just curious, well, remain curious, if there is a propensity towards these sorts of Echinopsis x Trichocereus reflecting one parents normal blooming period over the other. Not trying to impose labels nor worried about pollen. ~Michael~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Micromegas Posted May 18, 2014 Check this out. I arrived at this plant by a most circuitous route today and it blew my socks off. What I was originally looking for did not even involve cactus! It seems nature has already completed the coloured san pedro flower project haha. From Dave's Garden: PlantFiles: Echinopsis Echinopsis tarijensis bookmark Family: Cactaceae (kak-TAY-see-ee) (Info) Genus: Echinopsis (ek-in-OP-sis) (Info) Species: tarijensis (tar-ih-HEN-sis) (Info) Synonym:Echinopsis tarijensis subsp. tarijensis Synonym:Trichocereus poco Synonym:Trichocereus narvaecensis Synonym:Trichocereus tarijensis One member has or wants this plant for trade. Category: Cactus and Succulents Height: 12-15 ft. (3.6-4.7 m) 15-20 ft. (4.7-6 m) Spacing: 24-36 in. (60-90 cm) 36-48 in. (90-120 cm) Hardiness: USDA Zone 10a: to -1.1 °C (30 °F) USDA Zone 10b: to 1.7 °C (35 °F) USDA Zone 11: above 4.5 °C (40 °F) Sun Exposure: Full Sun Sun to Partial Shade Light Shade Danger: Plant has spines or sharp edges; use extreme caution when handling Bloom Color: Pink Red White/Near White Cream/Tan Bloom Time: Unknown - Tell us Foliage: Unknown - Tell us Other details: Drought-tolerant; suitable for xeriscaping Average Water Needs; Water regularly; do not overwater Soil pH requirements: Unknown - Tell us Patent Information: Unknown - Tell us Propagation Methods: From woody stem cuttings Allow cut surface to callous over before planting From seed; direct sow after last frost Seed Collecting: Allow unblemished fruit to ripen; clean and dry seeds Unblemished fruit must be significantly overripe before harvesting seed; clean and dry seeds Properly cleaned, seed can be successfully stored Read more: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/92032/#ixzz323mXvKrj From: http://www.orchidees.fr/forums/index.php?showtopic=61462 From: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/41986341 And for EG here's the wiki entry in german: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinopsis_tarijensis Where do I get one! 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellonasty Posted May 18, 2014 I have a plant I believe to be Trichocereus Tarijensis growing in my front yard it is about 6 years old from seed and still quite small. No sign if flowers yet..... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mushroomman Posted May 18, 2014 I love Trichocereus Tarijensis. I am ordering seed from a few different sites cant wait to get some going and grafted 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamwalker. Posted May 19, 2014 I love Trichocereus Tarijensis. I am ordering seed from a few different sites cant wait to get some going and grafted really nice plant Origin: Argentina, Bolivia What seed houses are you getting the seed from? So Trichocereus Tarijensis.and Trichocereus tulhuayacensiswou look slightly similar, crossing them both might produce some interesting results.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) Hi Dreamwalker. They are very different Plants, because Tarjensis is a larger Pasacana-like Trichocereus and tulhuayacaensis is like Peruvianus or cuzcoensis just with a different Flower. Tulh. only reaches up to 2 meters tall in most cases. Tarjensis gets up to five and looks like a giant spiny tree. So it is an absolute fantastic plant and crossing would be great but the size that they need to reach before they will flower will be very limiting. I have a very large One but it is still far from flowering. Besides, its hard to get them to flower in a greenhouse. They need a free root run. But again, if you do get them to flower, they are fabulous. I have spread some Terscheckii x Colored Trichocereus seeds earlier this year and they will be grown from a few people here. But since it only makes sense to send them to People who can grow em outside, i didn´t send them to people in my climate. These guys will go through the roof. Edited May 19, 2014 by Evil Genius 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mushroomman Posted May 19, 2014 really nice plant Origin: Argentina, Bolivia What seed houses are you getting the seed from? So Trichocereus Tarijensis.and Trichocereus tulhuayacensiswou look slightly similar, crossing them both might produce some interesting results.. Www.cactusstore.com got some poco seeds from them but only a couple have germinated after a few months. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Micromegas Posted May 19, 2014 So yeah I had never seen or heard of this plant before and it's awesome. The synonyms also intrigued me: Synonym:Trichocereus poco Synonym:Trichocereus narvaecensis Synonym:Trichocereus tarijensis I have a T. poco from SAB I'd say it's 5yrs from flowering, maybe less. It looks about right although a bit spiny i think because it is young, but I bet the flower is white. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted May 28, 2014 Alright Guys, so the seeds are packed and i finally have enough padded letters. Will ship out within the next few days. Just a short heads-up. Please let me know when they are there. bye Eg 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted June 4, 2014 Pollen collected from this red flowered grandiflorus on 6-3-14 & I will ship worldwide to anyone wanting to experiment 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solaritea Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) I've also become interested in this idea recently. I'm thinking crossing this (suspected) Pink Glory with some of the usual columnars might lead to good results. Looks like a thick slightly longer spined T. spachianus and grows to at least 6ft/2m. This König Ludwig looks interesting too. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Trichocereus-hybride-Konig-Ludwig-Echinopsis-/111337202841?nma=true&si=GmeeL0YZW%252ByMa9JA%252BBzkbFu1q1E%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Edited June 8, 2014 by solaritea 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halcyon Daze Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) A couple of other well known colouful hybrids are Echinopsis 'Los Angeles' and Echinopsis 'Epic' Edited June 8, 2014 by Halcyon Daze 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interbeing Posted June 8, 2014 'Whiora' is a Echinopsis, Trichocereus hybrid that originates from Fields that has a pink flower. 'Whiora' was crossed with a pachanoi a few years ago by PD, mine flowered for the first time this summer. 16 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamwalker. Posted June 8, 2014 'Whiora' is a Echinopsis, Trichocereus hybrid that originates from Fields that has a pink flower. Trichonopsis 'Whiora'.jpg 'Whiora' was crossed with a pachanoi a few years ago by PD, mine flowered for the first time this summer. Whiora x pachanoi 1.jpg Whiora x pachanoi 2.jpg Whiora x pachanoi 3 .jpg did it fruit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted June 13, 2014 Alright, first wave is shipped but i didn´t have enough Envelopes and ordered some more. Rest will go out in two or three days. Then, i´ve shipped them all. Good Stuff coming for you! ;) 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites