Trichocereus ID

[hostilis]

My buddy got this new trich. It was labelled as peruvianus, but it looks different to me. But what do I know? I suck at IDing trichs.

Here it is. Any feedback is appreciated.

Thanks!

hostilis

[Getafix]

I am going to run with Cuzcoensis.

Interesting terminating growth.

Getafix

[Evil Genius]

Hi Hostilis, this is either a Stetsonia Coryne or a Trichocereus Cuzcoensis but it feels a bit like a Stetsonia to me. That being said, it has a lot of similarity to a Cuzcoensis as well. bye Eg

Edited December 30, 2013 by Evil Genius

[Micromegas]

Yeah I don't think that's a tricho. Nice find.

[hostilis]

Thanks a ton guys,

[Philocacti]

Looks like trichocereus peruvianus to me

I have a few seedlings with stunt growth that look very similar

But I'm not expert

[PhoenixSon]

bit hard to say, maybe a kk peru, looks pretty cuzco like but that may be due to hard growing, looks more cuzco then peru to me

[M S Smith]

hostilis, are there two main centrals, one going upward and one going downwards? If so that is common to many T. cuzcoensis and I've never seen it on T. peruvianus. I'm leaning towards T cuzcoensis, but would love a little closer shot of one of those nice looking lower limbs.

~Michael~

Edited December 31, 2013 by M S Smith

[hostilis]

Thanks. Cuzcoensis is actually what I thought it was at first too.

hostilis

[hostilis]

Here's another one. It was from the same nursery. To me it looks like the same clone grown in different conditions.

Edited by Moderator! No Discussion about Taste and such please.

Edited January 2, 2014 by Evil Genius

[hostilis]

MSSmith, What do you mean by "main centrals"?

[Philocacti]

Central spines per areol

I don't see the common s shape between ribs on the growing tip that's common to T. cuzcoensis

[hostilis]

I wish I could look at the plant myself. But this isn't mine. I'll ask the person next time I see them.

[M S Smith]

Here's what I mean by the double centrals. The "horn" colored spines with swollen bases are also pretty common on T. cuzcoensis.

The more I look at your plant the more it looks like the T. schoenii of the Colca Canyon. The species looks like an odd mix of T. peruvianus and T. cuzcoensis. Here's a few shots.

~Michael~

[hostilis]

Interesting. I'll see if I can get some close up areole shots for you.

[M S Smith]

[Just a repeat of something I said elsewhere when told it was "04" or something.]

It's Sacred Succulent's SS04.

From the catalog...

Got it, it's the SS04.

From the catalog...

Trichocereus Sp. SS04 (=Trichocereus chalaensis?)

A columnar plant that forms stands up to 10' tall, sometimes growing prostrate with age. 3-5" thick stems with large areoles bearing numerous stout spines up to 2" long. Spines on new growth are an attractive amber color. White nocturnal flowers with reddish sepals. We believe this to be an attractive clone of Trichocereus chalaensis, a species found growing south of Chala, Peru. Cold hardy to at least 25 degrees F.

Chala is some 150 or so west of the Colca Canyon region. What I regard as the T. schoenii of Colca appear to be the same plant SS calls as T. chalaensis, and this regardless of whether either of us are wrong. Some plants known as T. uyupampensis are probably synonymous.

Here's a shot from K.Trout.

http://trout.yage.net/sc/T_chalaensis/T_chalaensis_Lb.html

~Michael~

Edited January 1, 2014 by M S Smith

[hostilis]

Here are some kinda blurry, but closer pictures of the plant.

[Evil Genius]

Hi Hostilis, please try again to make better pictures. I had some time to take a closer look and the more i look at it, the more i think its not a Trichocereus. Theres one Cactus that is a very common lookalike for a Trichocereus and i think thats it. Forgot the name right now but will have a look. I think it was a Pilosocereus or a Gymnocereus. The very bright green color and some other things are very typical for it.

Just take a look at this Pilosocereus for example: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/67061/

Because the pics are so blurry, i still cant say if its that but i really think this might actually be a Pilosocereus. bye Eg

[Philocacti]

EG - that looks exactly like a Trichocereus to me. Thanks for sharing this.

Just when I thought my eyes got trained to ID a member of the trichocereus genus, this comes up :/

[gtarman]

Yeah, it looks distinctly un-tricho to me. Just my hunch.

[hostilis]

Yeah, I wish I had this plant so I could take better pictures for you guys, but like I said, it is a friend's plant.

I was thinking that some of the growth charactaristics don't look very trichocereus to me. I'd love to see a cutting of this in person. Maybe I can get this person to send me one ;)

[Evil Genius]

I just realised something important when looking at the pics in Post 10. The Cactus pups like an Armatocereus what makes it very very likely it is one. Almost no columnar cactus pups like this.

[M S Smith]

EG, this is really nothing uncommon to Trichocereus. I had a similar attack of something this last season which caused the same sort of damage to the tip, which then forced its way through leaving a similar sort of pinch, or else sent out a new limb from an areole.

You can see this sort of damage on the Huntington's T. macrogonus.

~Michael~

[solaritea]

The davesgarden Pilosocereus arrabidae looks significantly different than other pictures of Pilosocereus arrabidae.

[Bert&Ernie]

You can see the spines on the older growth do not look like a Trichocereus...

too me it looks just like the cacti in the link from EG

[hostilis]

When my buddy first showed me I thought it seemed pretty off for a trich. I appreciate all the thought you all put into this.

Thanks!