A New Trichocereus Species

[zelly]

Ha! I thought that would get your attention, especially in view of the arguments presented in this thread and more recently, others.

So whats the experts opinions on these two plants?

Differences can be seen in spination, v-notches at the aeroles, fruit shape & woolly hair covering, general girth, and in pics not posted, flower size. The plant on the right always has either no spines at the aerole or just one, and it seems to have a very unique v-notch, unlike anything seen on any other tricho.

I know what I call them, I'm curious what you identify them as.

[TommyChesnutt]

Huanucoensis x Ecuador Pach/peru, or maybe,

simply a unique phenotype of a Huanucoensis. Just my guess.

See here: http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=15749

May I suggest, that perhaps the word "expert" is subjective, in such an unexplored field with no advanced degree focus

EDIT: beautiful plants though man, look really healthy and taken care of.

Edited September 22, 2013 by hunnicutt

[Optimystic]

im definitely no expert

but is there an ss02 bridgesoid, a Huanucoensis, and a colossus in those pics?

and can I have one?

Edited September 22, 2013 by Spine Collector

[M S Smith]

Ha! I thought that would get your attention, especially in view of the arguments presented in this thread and more recently, others.

So whats the experts opinions on these two plants?

Differences can be seen in spination, v-notches at the aeroles, fruit shape & woolly hair covering, general girth, and in pics not posted, flower size. The plant on the right always has either no spines at the aerole or just one, and it seems to have a very unique v-notch, unlike anything seen on any other tricho.

I know what I call them, I'm curious what you identify them as.

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I'm not an expert, but I get accused of being one on the internet...no wait, I think it's the other way around, I get accused of not being one on the internet.

Anyhow, I'd say the one on the left falls in with T. huanucoensis, which I'd throw toward T. pachanoi, while that on the right with the long single spine further down on the plant, and with the really cool V-notch, sets it towards T. bridgesii. The fruit makes me think the same thing.

~Michael~

edit PS - zelly, I'm not sure what you mean by "new Trichocereus species." Do you mean one or the other is a hybrid?

Edited September 22, 2013 by M S Smith

[zelly]

is there an ss02 bridgesoid, a Huanucoensis, and a colossus in those pics?

not to my knowledge....pics of my huanucoensis can be found here http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=15749&p=438115

and here's pics of SS02 & colossus

And yes, several colossus pups will be available later this fall.

zelly, I'm not sure what you mean by "new Trichocereus species." Do you mean one or the other is a hybrid?

No Michael, the thread title was just a zinger I threw out there....I thought it had more curb appeal than just "Whatcha Think?"

and fwiw, I've 'identified' the one on the left as a short spined macrogonus.

[M S Smith]

and fwiw, I've 'identified' the one on the left as a short spined macrogonus.

Ha ha ha ha...in light of recent discussions I'd take that to mean T. macrogonus subsp. pachanoi. Hey, as long as we all know what we're talking about right? Right?

And the one on the right? What have you "identified" it as?

~Michael~

[zelly]

And the one on the right? What have you "identified" it as?

That one is T. bridgesii 'Helen', named in honor of the mother from whom the plant originated from.

A unique plant named in honor of a unique woman.

[M S Smith]

Well Helen is lovely.

~Michael~

[TommyChesnutt]

Well Helen is lovely.

Yes, say hello to Helen for me.

[trucha]

The colosus is most likely a spontaneous puquiensis hybrid that came up in the spot where UC's Cereus colloseus had died (leaving its name tag to confuse future visitors in the years that followed).

Its not clear which of the two pachanois near it was the pollen donor but we do know for sure that the original plant in that spot died.

[M S Smith]

Here's my own T. colosus from UC's BBG. It was from seed off the plant at the BBG and so it's probably best described as a mutt.

Alrighty then, riddle me this...what would you, expert or not, call this beauty?

~Michael~

Edited September 24, 2013 by M S Smith

[Nemisty]

That tarmaensis in the background is one hot catus

CBL gave me a 10cm huanucoensis seedling he grew from Sacred Succulent seed and for all money I would have guessed it to be a pure scopulicola. The skin is so leathery, do the mature specimens keep this texture or will it grow out? ( or did SS potentially mislabel the seed? )

[mutant]

Michael

I say it looks a bit icaro, with short spines.

short spine peruv or pachanoi X peruv

sure Pachanois and paruvians co-occur in some countries, f.e. peru , no ??

[Optimystic]

thats obviously a short spined macrogonus lol

Edited September 25, 2013 by Spine Collector

[M S Smith]

Alrighty then, riddle me this...what would you, expert or not, call this beauty?

Take a Guess.jpg

~Michael~

Well I suppose that wasn't too hard...it's a T. pachanoi "Juuls Giant" x T. peruvianus "SS01". Not too many years ago everyone would have been saying T. macrogonus. Glad that's been cleared up.

~Michael~

[mutant]

aye, I got the taxonomic eye alright

[rocky]

T. bridgesii 'Helen' is very fine looking, those notches are fantasticl! Do you have your hybrid seed list available yet for this year or is that posted elsewhere in the forums?

[mutant]

wut about this??

[tizocAu]

icaros peru? mutant

[amp]

Khoeres macrogonus?

[mutant]

That was a KK336 Trichocereus glaucus, bought as a seedling from sab couple years ago. Indeed, without a name one would probably put it under magrogonus. Persistently round areoles. It would super cool to compare with " T. glaucus EG " I have raised from seed which do show a variation. Even though I doubt it glaucus is a 'true' , 'good' species.

Michael, you mentioned ss01 as a peruvianus? I think I got some seedlings of the opposite cross, ss01 X juul's. I thought they were bridgesii dominant, that ss 01 was a bridge... Got the seed off a nook member, I suppose these are nitrogen crosses? Also got 2 scop X juuls seedlings , from another nook member too.

[Evil Genius]

The Glaucus i´ve been distributing is not a true Glaucus species. Its a very glaucous Plant and if i remember right, it should be somewhere beetween Peruvianus and Bridgesii.

[mutant]

I am very anxious to see your seedlings grow more, EG, because they seem to be showing some variety. nopte that very blue one! Of course this is my favourite... One could argue that the supposed "glaucus" is a macrogonoid. But lets see the seedlings grow. Do you have any pics of some mother plant for this seed or do other people have grown the 'glaucus' of EG ? I must have asked again, but dont remember. for what's worth, there are the seedlings, begining to become interesting.

ps: oh btw the lophos are not seed grown, they're rooted pups cut from grafts with the exception of that caespitosa one..

Edited November 1, 2013 by mutant

[mutant]

I went and checked now, mine are ss02Xjuuls and ss02Xss01 and ss02 must be bridgesii. Intereresting, the bridgesii peruvian combo! Do people have grown up specimens of these hybrids?

[mutant]

Well there's not a reason to open up yet another thread for tricho hybrids, so I though here I come.

these are the seedlings I was talking about previously, but there's taqaquirensis , bridgesii , some terscheckii, varius stuff.

and these two are scop X [some famous clone I dont remember, probably juuls, juuls is a pach, right? ]

sent in a trade by a kind nook member when young, now they're reaching maturity.

this is just yowie for the kicks

and yet another pachanoi hybrid, no idea with what, lost the label

Edited November 1, 2013 by mutant