hostilis Posted March 29, 2014 I have some kikko koh yo seeds as well. Going to plant them soon. I also got some myriostigma quadricostatum variegata seeds. Don't see the variegation yet, but they're still very young. Pretty stoked about them though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellonasty Posted March 30, 2014 afungitobewith, I won't get too detailed but Astrophytum Cultivar seed is extremely complex, here are the basic reasons the first few being the major problem, , 1. People sell seed with the wrong name (usually on purpose to make money), IE they have Myriostigma Nuda which is worth very little and they will write Myriostigma CV Kikko Kohyo which is worth a lot. 2. People put up pictures of a plant and then you expect to get a similar plant from the seed. When in fact they just goggled a nice image and put it up. 3. People are not recording their crosses. In order to know what genetic traits you are likely to get both the Mother and Father need to be known I.E A.Myriostigma X A. Myriostigma CV Kikko Nuda etc. 4. Astrophytum genetics can be hit and miss but the majority of the time it is due to point 1. With regard to the Koh-yo colour, it means Autumn colour in Japanese, The yellow patches on my plant are Variegation, Koh-yo is a temporary colour change that usually occurs at the start or end of the growing season and can be any colour.. Orange, Yellow, Peach, Purple etc. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hostilis Posted March 30, 2014 The person I got the seeds from crossed them himself and I trust him. They are hybrids of cultivars. I actually have seen the mother and father plants for them and pictures of their offspring. Pretty stoked about them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
afungitobewith Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) Thanks HelloNasty. I got them off an auction site. Then when I check out one of the other listings they had, it showed a picture a 5 year old with a paint brush pollinating flowers FML I still hold onto some hope that when they gain some size, some colors will start to show more. Or do they pretty much keep color from youth and mine are bunk. Edited March 30, 2014 by afungitobewith Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellonasty Posted March 31, 2014 Generally Astrophytum traits get stronger/more pronounced as they get older., so if you see the trait early on that's a good sign. Don't worry nearly all seed sellers don't produce the seed themselves, so the info is at least third hand and has been translated from Japanese to German to English lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Myeloblast Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) HN, in your experience is variegation related to genetics that much in Astrophytum? Edited March 31, 2014 by Myeloblast Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hostilis Posted March 31, 2014 From what i've seen two variegated astrophytum parents will generally give lots of variegated seedlings. I'm interested to see what HN thinks too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellonasty Posted March 31, 2014 Yes variegation is definitely passed on. One variegated parent is usually enough to produce the trait in offspring. Usually stronger when the mother is variegated and father normal. However this is not always the case and occasionally you get unexpected (good) results when the mother is normal and father variegated or has another trait. HN 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Myeloblast Posted April 1, 2014 Good to hear, thanks HN. Here's two of my koh-yo's showing nice color: Kikko starting show on this one: And one other astro I picked up cheap at a garage sale of all places The label reads Sun 7.0 x Sun 2.0, not sure what it refers to, maybe flower color? I'd love to know if anyone has info 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philocacti Posted April 12, 2014 My 1st Astrophytum seeds germinating The lower section is A. asterias Japan superkabuto and the upper section is A. asterias Kulture rote Bluete 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Myeloblast Posted April 17, 2014 Some new additions to the collection, very excited about one of them.. and just another fun Astrophytum, A. capricorne v. niveum nudum Difficult to spot, but some flowers are forming 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katu Posted April 17, 2014 Modest Astro collection, nothing on some of those sexy freaks 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hostilis Posted April 17, 2014 That myriostigma koh-yo is awesome myeloblast. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hostilis Posted April 21, 2014 Some new additions. A. asterias x coahuilence variegata Then the person sent these two for free with it. A,. myriostigma cv. tricostatum and I'm not sure about the second. Maybe super kabuto x myriostigma or possibly the same cross as the first plant. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted April 22, 2014 nothing new here folks, move along..... just recently tried crossing this with a plain jane myrostigma & vice versa. and just because..... 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hostilis Posted April 22, 2014 I would love to get some seed that produces variegated asterias. Or just get a mature variegated asterias. Those things are awesome, but expensive. I guess I'll just try my luck at growing seeds until I get one. Lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philocacti Posted May 2, 2014 Out of the blue, most of my astrophytum seedling started to shrivel and died so I panicked I grafted 7 to this neglected selinicereus and 6 took....... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Myeloblast Posted May 11, 2014 An update on the koh-yo graft, it's slowly changing from the orange/red to yellow/green The variegate from above, turns out it was a buried graft rather than a true degraft. Regrafted it to make 3 new plants You can see the peresk., still trying to grow roots upside down And a few other astro's I now have: 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted May 11, 2014 I would love to get some seed that produces variegated asterias astro's approximately 40 seeds from the first fruit, 2 more fruits to go.... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hostilis Posted May 11, 2014 approximately 40 seeds from the first fruit, 2 more fruits to go.... I've already got some variegated myriostigma going. Nice plant btw. What I'm really hoping to get is variegated asterias from seed. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hostilis Posted May 18, 2014 New plants. 2 variegated A. myriostigma and 2 variegated A. asterias from thailand. Finally got those variegated asterias I wanted. And on their own roots too!!! I will breed them when they're older and have variegated astro seedlings. Yay! Now just to wait for 3 years. Lol, they're tiny as hell right now. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woof woof woof Posted May 18, 2014 I think I owe this one to MUTANT. (not 100% sure. so many trades) Anyhow enjoy you cactus fiends,.. uhhh I mean friends.... hehhehe 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djmattz0r Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Snagged this lil fella yesterday: I believe it to be a Astrophytum Myriostigma cv FUKURYU Not sure exactly what it is but I was told it was FUKURYU at least, if anyone knows more about the specific cultivars please enlighten me [edit: spelling] Edited May 18, 2014 by djmattz0r 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Myeloblast Posted May 19, 2014 The spines indicate it's a hybrid, since myrio has none. most likely has at least ornatum in it Nice fukuryu though, as well as those variegates hostilis 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
