mental health proposal

[in_spirit]

http://preventdisease.com/news/12/030512_Australian-Government-Moves-To-Quickly-Pass-Laws-To-Sterilize-Electroshock-And-Restrain-Children-Without-Parental-Consent.shtml

I find this disturbing esp. Some of the more disturbing clauses draft mental health bill include:

CHILDREN OF ANY AGE TO CONSENT TO STERILISATION: If a psychiatrist decides that a child (under 18 years) has sufficient maturity, he or she will be able to consent to sterilisation. Parental consent will not be needed. Only after the sterilisation procedure has been performed does it have to be reported and then only to the Chief Psychiatrist. [Pages: 135 & 136 of the Draft Mental Health Bill 2011]

12 YEAR OLDS WILL BE ABLE TO CONSENT TO PSYCHOSURGERY: Banned in N.S.W. and the N.T., psychosurgery irreversibly damages the brain by surgery, burning or inserting electrodes. This draft bill proposes to allow a 12 year old child, if considered to be sufficiently mature by a psychiatrist, to be able to consent to psychosurgery. Once the child has consented it goes before the Mental Health Tribunal (MHT) for approval. Parental consent is also not needed for the MHT to approve the psychosurgery. [Pages: 108, 109, 110, 197,198, 199, 213]

12 YEAR OLDS WILL BE ABLE TO CONSENT TO ELECTROSHOCK (ECT): Electroshock is hundreds of volts of electricity to the head. Any child aged 12 and over, whom a child and adolescent psychiatrist decides is "mature" enough, will be able to consent to electroshock. Also, once consent is given, there is no requirement for parents or anyone, including the MHT, to approve the electroshock. Electroshock should be banned. Its use on the elderly, pregnant women and children is especially destructive. [Pages: 100, 101, 103, 104, 194, 105]

RESTRAINT AND SECLUSION OF CHILDREN: Children can be restrained in a psychiatric institution, with the use of mechanical restraint (manacles, belts, straps etc.) and bodily force. Chemical restraint - the use of psychiatric drugs to subdue and control the person - is not covered in the draft bill, so there are no legal safeguards to prevent its application. Death can result from all forms of restraint. [Pages: 122, 121, 113, 246]

INVOLUNTARY COMMITMENT OF CHILDREN: A psychiatrist can involuntarily detain any child for up to 14 days if "suspected" of mental illness. Parents will not be able to discharge their child during this period and take them home. The psychiatrist can then make a "continuation order" to continue the detainment for up to 3 months and thereafter for each subsequent 3 month period. During detainment, the child could be drugged, restrained, secluded, given electroshock if over 12 and could be put into a ward with adults. Parental consent is not required to continue the detainment or for any treatment, including the child being placed on a legal order to continue to receive drugs at home. The MHT hold hearings on the detainment of a child, but there is no guarantee the child will be able to go home. In 2010/11 there were 1,248 hearings for all ages and only 58 people had their status changed from involuntary to voluntary. [Pages: 21, 22, 35, 19, 107, 36, 53, 54, 183 -185, 190, 191, 213, 214,18, 46, 47, 48, 65, 66, 70, 73, 75-77]

WHO WILL BE ABLE TO DETAIN A CHILD IS NOT FULLY KNOWN: An "authorised mental health practitioner" can also detain a child or adult in the draft bill. Exactly who an authorised mental health practitioner is, is not defined by the draft bill. The Chief Psychiatrist can literally give anyone or any profession the power to detain someone just because he considers they are qualified and by publishing the decision in the Gazette. This clause must be removed from the Draft Mental Health Bill 2011. Only a judge or magistrate should have the power to order someone be detained, and only with full legal representation for the person facing depravation of liberty [Pages: 246, 247, 21, 22]

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DRAFT BILL?: The Western Australia Mental Health Commission (MHC) were responsible for writing the Draft Mental Health Bill 2011, with Mental Health Commissioner and clinical psychologist, Mr Eddie Bartnik overseeing the process.

Tarrant suggests everybody write a letter saying exactly what you think of this absurd legislation. Write expressing your objections to the Mental Health Commission and to your state legislator.

Email: on [email protected]  or

Mail: GPO Box X2299 Perth Business Centre, W.A. 6847  

Send a copy of your objections to the Mental Health Minister, Health Minister and your local Member of Parliament. 

Find their addresses at: www.parliament.wa.gov.au/parliament/memblist.nsf/WAllMembers

Please don't let your citizenship stop you from speaking out against these human rights violations. This destructive movement against humanity is global and it's a pressing concern of grand proportions. If we don't speak out now, the health and safety of future generations are in serious jeopardy.

[cactuscarl]

That is f*****g crazy there is no way this can pass. Then again we are talking Australian gov, scary

[applesnail]

"Mental Health Commissioner and clinical psychologist, Mr Eddie Bartnik " Sounds like this dickwad should have the psycho-surgery and the electroshock treatment..this is what shits me about psychiatrists they treat ppl like guinea pigs! if you don't like something done to yourself then what gives them the right to do it other ppl especially children....the whole profession of psychiatry has far to much influence on society from the judicial system to the prisons to family law, when a simple 30 min consultation with a neurotic PHD dick wad can have severe life changing affects on someones life forever or see them permanently medicated on zombie pills, so they are easier to nurse and deal with then free thinkers one has to realise that indeed it is becoming a scarey society governed and run by CNTS!

Edited October 31, 2012 by applesnail

[Sallubrious]

This sounds like something from the third reich and the likes of josef mengele.

I've read that our brains aren't fully developed until our mid twenties and these twats have decided that a twelve year old is fair game.

This crap has to be stopped.

[qualia]

labor seems to have a particular thing against children. First it's indefinite detention on island prisons, now it's forced imprisonment, sterilisation and EST of so called "mentally ill" children without parental consent. is it a coincidence that their so called "leader" is wantonly childless?

anyway never mind labor's war on children, DID U HEER WAT TONNY ABBOT SED LOL OMG DAT GUICE SUCH SEXIST WUT!?!

[Vine Voice]

This is horrific! Outright new world order showing their agenda. Targeting children is the lowest of the low, but also shows more of their anti-human, consciousness-minimising plans. Psychiatry is a major way that the 'authorities' use to limit our consciousness and try to achieve a consensus view of what is normal. I am currently listening to a great podcast on this topic, if anyone is interested: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/10/RIR-121023.php. If this gets passed, there is definitely no question that our governments are malevolent entities.

[chilli]

Did any of you ever stop to think that these laws actually may be put in place to protect children's rights? This gives childrebn rights that their parents might otherwise have vetoed. Not all parents make the best decision on behalf of their children ya know.

people are so quick to jump the gun and compare everything to Nazi Germany.. yeah right look where you live it just ain't the same, sorry to detract from the histrionics.

[qualia]

Did any of you ever stop to think that these laws actually may be put in place to protect children's rights? This gives childrebn rights that their parents might otherwise have vetoed. Not all parents make the best decision on behalf of their children ya know.

people are so quick to jump the gun and compare everything to Nazi Germany.. yeah right look where you live it just ain't the same, sorry to detract from the histrionics.

 

INVOLUNTARY COMMITMENT OF CHILDREN.....During detainment, the child could be drugged, restrained, secluded, given electroshock if over 12 and could be put into a ward with adults.....Parental consent is not required to continue the detainment or for any treatment,......

and this:

Only after the sterilisation procedure has been performed does it have to be reported

so, how equipped to you think a child is to make an assessment about their mental health? especially if they've been forced into care and possibly drugged? what child will want to be sterilised? what do you think gives state bureaucrats the right to acquire a child regardless of the parents wishes? you seems to think that this is only applicable to people you think "deserve" it? who deserves it? who decides that? this is basically the true face of the worst aspects of socialism/communism**. giving ultimate power to the state, and taking away any power to individuals.

**and i want to make it clear that i'm not in the "ZOMG JULIAR COMMUNIST WUT" camp, the government is far from true communists, but this legislation really goes against my very core, that is that individuals should have ultimate power over their lives, and that includes bringing up their children as they see fit.

[shortly]

I'm at a bit of a loss, exactly how is, what is essentially forced & presumably permanent sterilization of children protecting the child's rights chilli?

[CβL]

I'm too shocked to write anything else.

[Vine Voice]

Chilli you're grasping at straws, and yes I agree this isn't the same as Nazi Germany. Although our culture is quickly coming to that point of fascism and in America it already is in my opinion. These proposals are fascist and totalitarian, and to defend them saying that they'll actually protect childrens' rights is in my mind something like a tautology.

[Sallubrious]

Did any of you ever stop to think that these laws actually may be put in place to protect children's rights? This gives childrebn rights that their parents might otherwise have vetoed. Not all parents make the best decision on behalf of their children ya know.

people are so quick to jump the gun and compare everything to Nazi Germany.. yeah right look where you live it just ain't the same, sorry to detract from the histrionics.

 

Well where's the difference ?

When the Nazis began their campaign in Germany they lobotomized all the "undesirables" and gave them electric shocks and sterilised them, all the same things that have been postulated here.

Lets face it, this isn't going to happen to upper class white kids, this going to happen to Aboriginals, delinquents, low IQ students from public schools and kids from lower socio economic backgrounds, all the same sorts of targets Hitler had on his hit list (Aboriginals being a parallel to "undesirable races" in Hitlers day.

This is dangerous legislation and the wrong hands it could be used to usher in a era where eugenics is just an accepted part of life.

[chilli]

tbh I skimmed the post when I was inebriated and saw 'children consent' etc and thought of the positive aspects of letting kids have a say in their own mental health treatment, that is all I was saying and NOT the forced anything of anything. be nice to kids.

This kind of legislation can often sound weird on paper but are actually only provisions for extreme situations where there is some kid who wants a sex change or some kid doing insane and deadly stuff. So anyway, I thought this was that kind of scenario because clearly in Australia there is no campaign of mass extermination like the Nazis did (ok, yet.)

But as sensationalist as the articles are, I am surprised at how logically one could arrive at their interpretations from reading the draft bill. There is some pretty weird stuff in there that I am having trouble conceiving of applying to any kind of situation, so it is confusing.

tl;dr I was fucked up alright? wtf cuz that stuff is weird!

Edited November 3, 2012 by chilli