Stillman Posted January 19, 2013 Once the root ball develops they will thicken up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
modernshaman Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) I got some seeds from a friend and have sown them recently. I'll post some pictures of each cross grafted on pereskiopsis after they start to show some nice size to them. My pereskiopsis grow thick and quick when under full sun however under shade they do have thin growth. So if your growing under lights you should put them as close to the lights as possible or stronger lights. Edited January 20, 2013 by modernshaman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mushroomman Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) thanks guys, i'll take a couple more cuttings today and put them under lights and see how they go . my two light boxes have 2 2ft fluros in them one with growlux tubes the other with daylight tubes, i will try a couple in each box. these are my two freakiest looking ones so far, the 1st one has 4 pups comeing through and the 2nd im hopeing is going to be crested, sorry about the pic quality they are taken with my iphone4 Edited January 20, 2013 by mushroomman 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stillman Posted January 20, 2013 2nd one looks like the business. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mushroomman Posted January 20, 2013 yeah i hope it is, i cant wait to get some more grafted. My peres stock is growing so shit down here in wollongong for some reason, it grew so much better when i was living in sydney. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Optimystic Posted January 20, 2013 everytime ive increased my feeding dosage, my pereskies have increased in growth and thickness.. the closer they grow to the fluoros, the faster they grow ... I could swear that airflow has a large effect too, and obviously warmth. The good thing about them, is that even if they start off etoliated, they can still thicken up no problem, but they want alot of everything... I have a problem with mine growing up to the fluros and the tips burning if I don't watchem, even when grown in regular sized styrofoam cups 2 foot under 4 HO t5s.... . I did this intentionally to get some thinner tips to go with thicker ones... Growing them in a window is ridiculous cause they get all bent out of shape lol givem lots of nitrogen, plus everything else and micronutes and you'll be bitching soon enough... you can't go wrong with organics and you can push it a bit so long as their soil is well draining.. I just recently experminted rooting one in straight up oily clay (native soil here) with 50% perlite with a little sand, and my goodness....no need to waste any costly soil on these, but just make sure to dry it out to eliminate any gnats.... ATM, Mine get nutes every week, about a medium dose of some pro grow vegetative organic blend, in preparation for my next grafting project but I do an occasional plain watering... I don't know if they can burn or not, but with organics they will just eat the shit up... kelp too also, my porteri's grow much different leaf shapes in different spectrums which is pretty cool.. I found a study on it before, and apparently the different leaf types serve different functions, but imo is more obvious on porteris... The glochids on some of these spathulata going around are vicious, for the love of cacti :X 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutant Posted January 20, 2013 ferting the stock easily splits the scion, mind you 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Optimystic Posted January 20, 2013 yeah I just fert them for having alot of stock, but for my first go I did a semi flush before using any for grafting, like my last watering before taking the cuts is just water... I assume that when rooting a tip it sorta uses up most of the energy anyhow and the humidity is enough to maintain without watering for a while.. or at least I assume as much considering my limited experience... Just seeing how the larger plants droop over when being well hydrated is enough for me to know not to water a perskie that has been recently grafted.. They can handle drought no problem, but I know they are thirsty if some leaves start to crinkle.... im not sure how long to wait to water after grafting, but certainly well after the graft is established I would assume... but I will have to experiment and see for myself, the effect of various nutes on a successful graft.. I might wait til my next set of grafts before I start playing around tho... I really haven't gotten that far @ My first pereskie grafts are going on day 9 atm... I only attempted on other peres graft a few days earlier and I screwed it up due to carelessness but it was a good lesson anyhow@ never pull the plastic off too quick w/the clothespin method I can tell you how to grow the fuck out of some pereskies tho lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
modernshaman Posted January 20, 2013 ferting the stock easily splits the scion, mind you Have you personally experienced this? I've also read this but never seen proof. I am currently testing this and have not had a problem with splitting so far. Perhaps this is only an issue if the grafts are not getting enough light or are dormant? I'm testing this with a large amount time-release fertilizer 19-6-12 NPK and the grafts are in full sun. I'm still only a month and a half in so this may change and I could have splits. im not sure how long to wait to water after grafting, but certainly well after the graft is established I would assume... Depending on the way you grafted you can water even before the graft has taken. Using the cling wrap or tying the scion with lots of pressure keeps the scion in place so watering is not an issue however I try to only water after I've seen that the stock has calloused over. In my climate it usually takes a week for the graft to take and callous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Optimystic Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Well funny thing, one of my grafts looks like a balloon this morning... I take it as a good sign but damn it makes nervous! I also had an inky cap grow and drop spores in the same pot so I reckon theres enough moisture in there... I'm nervous to water now with my little bubble graft lol Edited January 20, 2013 by Spine Collector Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stillman Posted January 20, 2013 I haven't seen scion splitting to date except on a small loph that nearly turned itself inside out. I think splitting is very dependent on the scion species. I have a pretty hectic fertiliser program I stick to. in my experience it really does improve growth with out any negatives, I have quite a few Astrophytum grafted but so I imagine as they develop I may have to monitor them for splitting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
watertrade Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) I push my plants in my greenhouse pretty hard and have quite a few that have split. Even some non grafted ones too. Especially when I'm heavy handed with seasol and powerfeed.I was just admiring this plant one day thinking how nice it was. I returned the following day and..... and a few weeks later it flowered and seems to be growing fine now. Edited January 21, 2013 by watertrade 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Optimystic Posted January 21, 2013 Ouch! I see it was forming a little pup... I probably would have grafted that day lol Im glad it went on to keep flowering for you.. .that was my next question... I wonder if any trichos have ever split, being that they are a much bigger plant to begin with... I suppose anything is possible... but my first assumption would be that it would be alot less likely (but still possible)... 2 of my grafts are ariocarpus fissuratus , so I'll definitely be more careful with those.. I don't think I want to push my first grafts too far but I've got enough seedlings to play around a little... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mushroomman Posted January 21, 2013 One of my mates perus on its own roots split from over feeding, that's the only time I have seen one do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naja naja Posted January 21, 2013 my lophs split all the time, I've never treated one, with anything .... ever. They just callous, scar and keep growing. But I'm not in tropical land, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Getafix Posted January 22, 2013 Some pics of my seedlings from the Connoisseur give away, coming along nicely. Hope there's some freaks in there! Once again, thanks Nitrogen. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mushroomman Posted February 11, 2013 Here is an update of the second plant from my last post. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookahhead Posted March 12, 2013 This guy is showing some weird growth. The top is almost flat and looks like no other tricho I have grafted. It recently popped out these three pups. Anxious to see what this turns into. Thanks again Nitrogen! 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutant Posted March 12, 2013 Clearly one of the most interesting threads for 2013! Ashamed I havent sown mine, I seems the winter GH was a great place for 3-15 months old tricho seedlings sown earlier [one freak!!!] , but I am not so sure about the upcoming summer. Well I don't know. I might probably do some in a close/semi closed box tek. or I'd better sow some now so that I am obliged to pamper through summer. well I am getting paranoid, its still trichocereus and they will be fine 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoOnThen Posted March 13, 2013 I eventually put all of mine down a couple of weeks ago. Germ rates are great just playing the waiting game now for them to get to a reasonable size then I am going to start grafting. Cheers Got Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitrogen Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) Neat specimen Hookahead! I grafted a few of each cross to pereskiopsis in like November and have been growing them indoors all winter next to a window - turns out when they are that small, they don't need much direct sunlight at all to grow quickly and with good girth.. So, if winter approacheth down under you can do that too.. Me, I'm looking forward to the summer Edited March 13, 2013 by nitrogen 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookahhead Posted April 4, 2013 Waiting for my perskiopsis to get a little bit bigger, then I'm cutting that pup off! 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitrogen Posted April 5, 2013 That looks totally wierd.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naja naja Posted April 6, 2013 SO we know that nitrogens seeds can make crests, thats fucking insane in itself, but I am really hoping out of all these X's, maybe we can come up with another mutation similar to the TBM or evn a completely diff, but cool and genetically vigorous. Well, it was just a thought/fantasy I wanted to share. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bogfrog Posted April 6, 2013 So i've been wanting to ask.. Who's got what? Anyone got gnarly crests and little oddities? Naja, anythings possible with these seeds! I have seen many seedlings showing one trait in particular and that is morphing out little arms! Nt just my seedlings either, i shared my seed with my boyfriend and our mate and theirs are both morphing little arms out too. Like mini mini saguaros My TPM X TPQC graft is looking pretty wild. (Pics 2mrw) As soon as it took to pere it began growing purple and spineless. Now i suppose it has been about 2-3 months, it is the only one of nitro's i have grafted yet and its one very beautiful, healthy little crest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
