mindperformer Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 (edited) For a long time no real natural CB1-cannabinoid-agonists were known except of the ones in Cannabis,then came exotic substances like 2-Sciadonoylglycerol from the seeds of Sciadopitys verticillata. This is a analog of the endogene 2-AG but has only a tenth to 1/20 of its action, so its not usable.The Echinacea- and Spilanthes- Alkylamides, noni-juice, pinen-derivatives, Tabernanthine and beta-Caryophyllene only act on the CB2-receptor in the immune system and not on the CB1.In a liverwort from New Zealand there was found Perrottetinene which has a very similar structure to THC, but it is thought to be an inhibitor of the receptor.Also Capsaicin, Falcarinol, Cinnamaldehyde, Voacamine and Voacangin-derivatives are inhibitors, and as such not usable for THC-like effects.Beta-Asarone is a allosteric modulator of the receptor, Thujone and Grenadamide are only very weak agonists.So it was a long way to find natural substances which act on the CB1-cannabinoid-receptor and now there came studies which described the occurence of them in well known plants.But: be aware of deducing psychoactive effects only from neurological findings of a plant with unknown psychological action. The neurological interrelationships are extremely complex and there are always new findings. They can only be used as a hint. In the following cases of plants, their actions are also well known, so there could be seen some coherences:First of all there is a study on Kanna (Sceletium tortuosum), which describes an action on CB1-cannabinoid-receptors of the alkaloid-extract. Its not the Mesembrine but other alkaloids responsible for this action and mainly from the nonfermented material. Additional to the SSRI-action, PDE4-inhibiting now there you can see a CB1-cannabinoid- activating and Acetylcholinesterase- inhibiting effect. It should be half as potent as THC. I wrote books about Kratom and Kanna, so this is of great interest to me. Also others and I could observe a potentiating effect on Cannabis from Kanna. They don't describe the Ki.The study: http://www.ifrj.upm.edu.my/17%20(02)%202010/IFRJ-2010-349-355_Alfi_Netherlands_(S)[1].pdf(you may copy the complete link)Kava (Piper methysticum) was also tested positive for CB1-cannabinoid- action. Yangonin was the main active kavalactone with a K(i)= 0.72 μM on the CB1-receptor. THC is 15-times as strong but if one consumed a great dose of kava there must be some cannabinoid action additional to the others.The studies: http://sciencealerts...ml#.UEnAdbLN_k8http://members.iif.h...resentation.pdfThen there is green tea (Camellia sinensis), which is also CB1-cannabinoid because of its catechins (3 of them). They found that EGCG (Epigallocatechin gallate) has a Ki of 33,6μM on the CB1-receptor, so it is much weaker than Yangonin, but it is also possible to drink a great amount of greentea...The study: http://www.missclass...a/cannaboid.pdfThis one is for science:In a marine sponge Dasychalina fragilis from Papua New Guinea they found Haplosamate A, which was tested positive for cannabinoid action:http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19175306The cannabinoid-like action of Lion's tail (Leonotis leonurus) isn't yet explained by action on CB1-receptors but Leonurine could be an Adenosine-reuptake-inhibitor (structurally very similar to Dilazep) or an action on the vanilloid-receptor (structurally similar to Capsaicin).Leonurine could in general produce cannabis-like effects (Auwarter, 2009). Edited November 26, 2012 by mindperformer 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foo Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 The only one i dont get from my own "cave man testing" is the Lions tail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindperformer Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 (edited) the flowers of lion's tail are definitely active when smokedMy flowers:Sceletium tortuosum: Edited September 7, 2012 by mindperformer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindperformer Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 (edited) Yangonin- compounds were also found in the Austrian black salsify Scorzonera austriaca:http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17034980I found this plant near Vienna on the Bisamberg: Edited September 7, 2012 by mindperformer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambient Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 the flowers of lion's tail are definitely active when smokedActive on ur taste buds haha, tastes terrible, but yes does work to some extent. I think I've been scarred by an alcohol mix made similar to green dragon. Ended up giving it away in the end, had a really bad after taste, can't even stomach the smoke now.Cheers for links, hadn't heard of Dasychalina fragilis & black salsify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindperformer Posted September 8, 2012 Author Share Posted September 8, 2012 the flowers themself didn't taste as bad, only the leaves and extracts. The leaves are rich in resins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambient Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Yeah flowers were definitely better than the leaves & seemed to be more active Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindperformer Posted September 8, 2012 Author Share Posted September 8, 2012 absolutely... it would be promising to breed this plant selectively for its effects, like cannabis, to get more potent plants 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindperformer Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 Kavalactones- paste: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindperformer Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) There is a new study on CB1-agonists from a Cordyceps annullata- culture grown with a HDAC- inhibitor: http://www.sciencedi...040403912003255The Annullatin A had potent agonistic activity and has similarities with THCIn two other studies Alpha-amyrin was found to enhance the endo-cannabinoids (especially 2-AG):http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22646533http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21620566Alpha- and beta-amyrin are found in many plants, especially resins like mexican copal:http://cdn.intechope..._activities.pdfhttp://books.google....huichol&f=falseThis is the traditional black copal from the Huichol (Bursera bipinnata), which they use in their Peyote-ceremonies: Edited November 20, 2012 by mindperformer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigred Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 awesome post thanks mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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