mutant Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I remember some other discussion. I dont find it inappropriate for someone to joke or comment anything, as I see how it can be 'funny'.OK, I will do the devils lawer: if getting raped by a woman is so horrible, how come no horror film with such story exists? no really, its just some people cant get it. it can be horrible, I just cannot image this happening to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballzac Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I also think people fail to see the inherent misogyny in these beliefs. Do you guys really think women are so weak and feeble, and so under the control of men, that they're incapable of commiting violent crimes against them? Since the middle of the 20th century, it's becoming increasingly clear that men and women are on an even footing as human beings in all but the most trivial senses. Sure, Olympic events separate the sexes because under the very narrowly defined, and controlled, conditions of sporting events, the minor physiological differences in the strength of males and females becomes apparent. But when the gloves are off (so to speak), when a person behaves as they have nothing to lose and are willing to go to any lengths to harm and humilliate a fellow human being, none of these minor differences have any relevance.If you think that you would actually enjoy being raped, then you have no concept of what rape is. The fantasy in your head is completely under your control. It goes as far as you want it to and no further. Rape is a very different thing to your idealised notions, and I think it's offensive to rape victims off both genders to make any claim that it would be fun to be raped. Do you really think that a rapist is there to lovingly please you? To be assertive in the way that you like? No, they are there to completely ruin your fucking day, and they will go to whatever lengths they need to to hurt you physically and emotionally. Rape is about having complete and total power over another person, and not in a sexy, Hollywood, assertive woman who's in touch with her sexuality, kind of way.A quote from wikipedia that I thought put it wellA number of gender role stereotypes can play a role in rationalization of rape. In the case of male-on-female rape, these include the idea that power is reserved to men whereas women are meant for sex and objectified, that women want forced sex and to be pushed around, and that male sexual impulses and behaviors are uncontrollable and must be satisfied. In the case of female-on-male rape, the victim may either be perceived as weak or, in cultures where men acquire status by sexual conquest, as fortunate. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vual Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 (edited) We already talked about the moral delema of this last time she did it lol!My evil grin reprisents a sarcastic emote of satire.A search will show how everyone raged last time, im sure next time she does it we will talk about the morals again..... Why dont they lock her up? surly not becuase she is a women........Strange thing why do they let a women rapist walk but if she was a man she would be in prision after the first time??Can being a nympo be good enough defense to get her of rape!! (i dont think it should) but you will find BECAUSE she is a women it will get her off. 4th time isnt it? Or maybe men dont press charges because they are to embarissed?If a peteti young small and skinny women walked into court wouldnt you laugh it out?If a fat tough dike dressed in leahter rode a harly in..... it would become more seriouse?.....In genral women are weaker then men, this is not anything new, women are weaker physicaly on a whole then men no point arguing it its a fact. I cant judge this situation without seeing victoms and reading a better article then the one that was supplyed, but im not ashamed to tell you that i think this ocurence right here in this article is rather not reported probaly, if you where to talk about your fat 200pound ex wife sitting on your face and making you lick her ass then i would dare say you have a real problem.I can think of examples that i could live with and examples i wouldnt wanna live with, not condoning anything but there are always two sides to a story, when did he figure it was time to leave, after she handcuffed him? (or he was never hand cuffed?)Did she rupe him? who knows....I bet the first 12hours he was happy.... she was nice enough to let him call the police after teling him she was going to fuck him to death, hang on he wasnt even changed up in the first place, she must target fragile old men????I just cant agree that women and men are equal in physical strength on a whole!! (average)Thats just "vagina worship" at its worst... Its beyond common knowledge that men in genral are more physicaly capable then women, and that goes right down to a anatomy level, both outside and inside...That said its proven that women are better multitaskers then men, its also proven women have a 10% smaller brain then men, thats a rather amusing one, due to the nferior-parietal lobule (IPL) in men is bigger, its where they think mathamatic calculations are done... hense men are better at maths then women, and women are better at expressing there feelings then men....in regards to RAPE and strenght, ( and keep in mind we are talking in genral here) Men tend to have a stronger "fight or flight" response, while women approach these situations with a "tend and befriend" strategy. The reason for these different reactions to stress is rooted in hormones. The hormone oxytocin is released during stress in everyone. However, estrogen tends to enhance oxytocin resulting in calming and nurturing feelings whereas testosterone, which men produce in high levels during stress, reduces the effects of oxytocin.Sure you can have a unbalanced women but in genral.... no sorry... men are better addapted to escape women rape then women are to escape men rape, if you think otherwise... proove it?There is no denying that women and men are different both in there own special ways!!But if you drag a typical women and a typical man of the street and put them in a cage science can assure you the man would win....... It realy spins me out to think people out there think women and men are equal on average in mussle mass...Simply take a look at industry records and who works in what industry, im aware the world is changing and women are getting there hands dirty (more power to them), but men still dominate physical labour..... Edited May 10, 2012 by vual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vual Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) A WOMAN was left crying in the street after she was forced to repeatedly pleasure a German Sex Offender."I met him on a bus... He invited me back here. Oh God, it was hell. I can't walk. Please help me," she told Munich police when they found her in tears outside his apartment after the 36-hour episode. Hahaha. Hilarious. hey dude thats not cool... its not funny if a man rapes a women.. its only funny if a women rapes a man..I think you miss the point!!!! ZOMG!.........what am i just a piece of meat to you, i'm busy cleaning my pipe, no you cant watch me shower touche!!! lol Edited May 10, 2012 by vual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballzac Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 but there are always two sides to a story, when did he figure it was time to leave, after she handcuffed him? (or he was never hand cuffed?)Did she rupe him? who knows.... Well that's a different thing altogether. It's quite possible that the whole story is made up anyway. I never claimed non-rape is immoral. I'd certainly be okay with a man not raping a woman or vice versa.Its beyond common knowledge that men in genral are more physicaly capable then women, and that goes right down to a anatomy level, both outside and inside... The point is that rapists aren't playing by the rules. How many men here would risk their lives to disarm a woman with a weapon? And how many think that they should have to do so to avoid being raped? You clearly don't believe that every man on the planet can defend himself against an attack from every woman on the planet, so I don't really know what your point is.I can certainly entertain the possibility that men can, on average, fend off an attack by a woman more successfully than a woman can a man, but that doesn't mean that women don't rape men, and it also doesn't mean that a woman isn't just as culpable for her intent as a man is. There are also other societal factors involved. Sure, you might be able to fend off a woman who is trying to harm you, but when she goes to the police covered in bruises and you tell them you had to fight her off because she was trying to rape you, how is that going to be taken? It's a no-win situation for men who are in this predicament.You keep coming back to the questioning of the actually feasability of rape by a woman against a man. Well, the article claims that the man was raped. So for arguments sake, lets just assume that some feeble woman was actually able to overcome the might of a man and subdue him. It is what comes next that people actually find funny about the story. What people are laughing at is the notion of a woman actually raping a man, not the feasability of this.We have to acknowledge that rape is not about sex. It is not about love. It is a violent crime and should be condemned under any circumstances. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutant Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) I find the occurence can be seen as funny, while the actual hapenings just make me curious....Okballzac, since you seem to know so much or imagine so muchlet me know how a woman rapes a mandescribe a woman raping a man a fictional storymake it as horrible as you like, but, please be analytical. How did she trap him, how did she aroused him by force, and how did he hurt without her hurting?Ballzac>> Rape is not about sex? what is it about? violence? no, no this is not rape, this is bashing. Rape involves sex, I must tell you...I also wonder about you politically correct guys. Have you seen any of the infamous video nasties [horror films] involving rapes [always a man-rapes-woman thing] ?F.e. do you think "I spit on your grave" or "Last House on the left" are sexist, nasty exploitation, that they are gloryfying rape? I am genouinly curious...I still wonder, if men are such pigs that dont really get rape, why dont some brave woman makes a horror film on a man raped by a schizo violent nympho? It would be a huge success and be also very political!Political correctness, how much does it suck! Edited May 10, 2012 by mutant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewind Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Okay I'll bite, for those with little imagination.The woman invites an unsuspecting man around for coffee. She spikes his coffee with viagra, cialis or whatever and then ties him to the bed (man being naive, compliant and unable to think much beyond his next orgasm).Priapism starts to hurt, heart is pounding (overdose?) she straddles him and then he realises she has a knife. You are my bitch she says, it's your turn to suffer. She blindfolds him and starts running the knife along his neck. You will do what I say and when I say it. She lowers herself on to his erect penis and pleasures herself while he tries to relax and hope she isn't for real. The next thing he knows is she is turning him over, he hasn't orgasmed yet and his penis hurts. She thrusts a huge strap on dildo quickly in to his anus, and he screams with the pain.etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutant Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I cannot demand that everyone can distinguish bad from good trolling - I still like it that you bitI asked honestly, and your answer is filling the gaps that my imagination couldn't. thanksMan raped by a woman , like fucked in the ass, now that's quite a rape that resembles the man rapes woman scheme. Also its more of a revenge against men, rather than a nympho sex crazed bitch. In that occasion, yeah, maybe its not only sex. still I dont find the woman character believable. Would you like to say more? I am really hoping of throwing some light into this, since once it is properly depicted and described, some men, might not find it funny or amusing anymore. I am also hoping to see how the man gets away in your story... I got a problem with your story though... he drinks coffee and viagra, how does she get him tied? Your story presented one major plot gap.please correct it, so I cannot write the script for this blockbuster shocking thriller I was telling before... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballzac Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 It's worth noting that I wasn't in any way suggesting we should be politically correct. My contention is that if we are to have any sort of meaningful ethical theory, then it must be self-consistent. I think the response here would have been very different if someone posted here laughing about the reported rape of a woman. It's this discrepancy that bothers me, because it is based on false gender stereotypes and a severe misunderstanding of the power dynamic in interpersonal relationships between the sexes. It's okay to think nothing is sacred. It's okay to make jokes about whatever you like. It's okay to speak your mind. What I don't think is okay, is singling out a race, gender, or other group of people based on irrelevant attributes.Incidentally, last time I checked, rape was considered by psychologists to be about power and not about sexual desire. It is defined by the expression of that power using sex as a weapon, but the consensus seems to be that it is not fundamentally about sex. Many male rapists, in fact, do not achieve an erection during the attack. I'm sure many date rape cases begin with a desire for sex, but it is the anger and frustration caused by the refusal of sex, and not the sexual urge itself, that then leads people to rape. It is revenge, hatred, humiliation. It has little, if anything, to do with feeling a need for sexual release. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewind Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I cannot demand that everyone can distinguish bad from good trolling - I still like it that you bitI asked honestly, and your answer is filling the gaps that my imagination couldn't. thanksMan raped by a woman , like fucked in the ass, now that's quite a rape that resembles the man rapes woman scheme. Also its more of a revenge against men, rather than a nympho sex crazed bitch. In that occasion, yeah, maybe its not only sex.still I dont find the woman character believable. Would you like to say more? I am really hoping of throwing some light into this, since once it is properly depicted and described, some men, might not find it funny or amusing anymore.I am also hoping to see how the man gets away in your story...I got a problem with your story though... he drinks coffee and viagra, how does she get him tied? Your story presented one major plot gap.please correct it, so I cannot write the script for this blockbuster shocking thriller I was telling before... Not really trolling, mutant, though I'm good at that when I try. I was honestly trying to show a nasty scenario where I think fear could be felt by the man, as I think fear is essentially the core reason behind rape, fear and control. Perhaps control being the determining factor, with fear used to gain that control. I'm not really a script writer, so perhaps my story is full of gaps, but I think it's easy to see where a man may allow himself to be tied up by a woman to receive sexual gratification, not knowing that she wants to hurt him instead. I mean, that's a classic scenario in many rape stories, where a pleasant or neutral situation suddenly turns brutal. The bigger and more sudden the change, the deeper and more shocking the fear.As far as the woman character being believable, there's nothing I can do about that in a few short sentences, that comes down to the cultural prejudice / stereotyping that we were discussing up the thread - no one can conceive of a woman being aggressive in the bedroom and therefore it doesn't make sense to them. But I have seen plenty of effeminate men, and a lot of aggressive women so to me the woman is quite believable, if not as common as the rapist male. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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