qualia Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 because muscle tone's the most important thing in life, isn't it <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_rolleyes.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Well one must tear off ones shirt to scare of would be attackers one would think so ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foo Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Did anyone mention B12 yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chnt Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fs6VP48BW8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChaser Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 because muscle tone's the most important thing in life, isn't it I was directly replying to a post which was about muscle tone you little smart arse!Anyway, yes muscle tone is an incredibly important thing when refering to good health and it's also important to me personally to look good without a top. lol, so fuckin what?Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Post a pic man! Don't leave us wAiting! U buff sexy bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foo Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Im with Incog, lets see the goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChaser Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Did anyone mention B12 yet? You can get your B12 from Red Bull, lol.Peace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Pics or it's not true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewind Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I struggle with vegetarianism. But I think it's less to do with body type and more to do with how the body was nurtured when young. I know enough healthy vegetarians (and lifetime vegans) to know that vegetarianism is possible for most. But despite a varied diet I find cravings for meat occur even when I intellectually and emotionally don't want them too. And I tend to follow my instincts quite a lot, so given in I have. The meat industry is a very ugly thing, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewind Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Man the fuck up and show us your pecs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auxin Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Did anyone mention B12 yet? In a monster long post, lol. Heres my B12ey bit....B12 is an issue so I recompound cyanocobalamin into shiitake powder to the extent of 50 µg/g and toss a gram into my cooking. I use shiitake powder because it doesnt clump up when it hits boiling water like whole wheat flour would.B12 is pretty damn cheap to begin with, and even more so when you can use just 1/10th of a pill....protein from non animals sources 'is' usually aways deficient (not necessary lacking like I claimed) in at least 1 essential amino acid, which is where I was confused. Which basically means you need a lot more protein from non animal sources, than you need from protein sourced from an animal, right? Which I am thinking means you basically have to consume a lot more calories to get a sufficient amount of good quality protein from non animal sources.Well kind of, sort of.Most active people only need on the order of 30-40 grams of 'meat quality' protein per day. Meat eaters tend to consume 70-200.If one is intent on consuming at least half of their calories from sugar and fat then yes, combining vegetable proteins to balance them (ie eating some beans too) may be needed to avoid higher calorie intake. But really, at low intakes of fat and sugar its pretty much impossible to get too little of any amino acid eating only plant stuff. Even if you ate only the grain lowest in lysine you could still get enough without upping calories.Many people really do get the majority of their calories from fat and sugar, that is a very unhealthy habit to begin with and anyone wanting to be healthier should change it anyway.One consideration would be cancer and kidney failure. People with those really should try to keep their protein intake down to the minimum. Right now I dont give any thought to combining protein, but if I had either of those diseases I would just so I could reduce protein to the minimum (and in the case of cancer, eliminate as much methionine as possible- an amino acid abundant in meat which speeds cancer growth). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qualia Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 jabez pm'd me a pic before, he didn't want to seem too vainlooking good, buddy, https://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sx2JNPMCaTA/Sabkzsxk6RI/AAAAAAAAABY/_42fS3aKw7s/s320/extreme-muscles.jpg&key=598c08faa196b4733c2becf800f43502c8538b815cc4d4c7213f5480ef72875a 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazonian Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Thats overk kill... Freakish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewind Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Edited February 15, 2012 by whitewind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chnt Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 yummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChaser Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Man the fuck up and show us your pecs! lol, never claimed to look like Sylvester Stallone, just said I liked looking good without a top. Besides I posted a picture less than a week ago in the nosy neighbors thread. One thread with my ugly face is quite enough, lol.Auxin, I completely disagree about 30 to 40 grams of protein, unless your female which I don't really know how much they need, but realize it's less. An adult male should be getting at least 60 to seventy grams and over 80 grams if your a active adult male.Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psylo Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 One thread with my ugly face is quite enough Phew,I didnt know ho to mention that. But hey, what you lack in the looks department, Im sure you make up for in personality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auxin Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 ..An adult male should be getting at least 60 to seventy grams and over 80 grams if your a active adult male...Your numbers do conform to the current stance by the US government, that adults should get 0.8 g/Kg and endurance atheletes (your active male, lol) should get 1.2. But they arent the final authority.Conversely the world health organization says 5% of diet on a calorie basis. That would be 25 grams of meat-quality protein on a 2000 Calorie diet! 37.5 grams for an active person needing 3000 Calories.Part the reason the US numbers are so much higher is that they think the body will use protein as a major energy source even in the presence of ample energy from fats and carbs. This opinion is in direct contradiction to the scientific evidence but even if it were true, the body does not need essential amino acids for energy metabolism- it can use any of them. Hense if you body wanted energy from metabolizing amino acids it could use all those which are relatively over-abundant in vegetable protein.Last time I bothered to do the math for a 6 day period, eating nothing but plants I averaged over 65 grams of veggie quality protein per day yielding enough of all essential amino acids as per the WHO amino acid requirement chart I referenced to previously and more than enough extra amino acids for possible energy metabolism or transamination systems or what-have-you....I can understand if you dont want to give up corned beef or steak, they do taste good in their way <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_newimprovedwinkonclear.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CβL Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Part the reason the US numbers are so much higher is that they think the body will use protein as a major energy source even in the presence of ample energy from fats and carbs. That's mildly ironic considering the "consensus" of the US health advisories is to have a large percentage of carbohydrates making up the diet (60% was the number that came to mind). I think it was a Michael McMoore film that mentioned that the diet used to fatten livestock for slaughter is within 5% bounds of the diet recommended for healthy US adults. I'm quite sure this is true or at least close enough to true. However whether or not this has any further consequence (e.g. a diet used to fatten livestock might not be the healthiest for humans...) I don't know.My point being that the recommended diet for US citizens is quite probably not ideal. Furthermore, given my earlier quote regarding amylase genes in humans, it seems retarded to have a one-dimensional (being weight/mass), diet that can be stretched over the population (the US population is not homogenous, [yet?]).So where I was going was with, is that there's arguably little point in referring to the standardised dietary recommendations, on account of them being one dimensional, because they fail to take into account the multi-dimensionality of human genetics.Lastly, would you agree it's possible that some of these vegxn athletes could sneak animal protein into their diets? I mean by declaring themselves to be vegxn, do the Food Police start monitoring their diet? Is it worse for a "vegxn" athlete to eat meat, or for any athlete to take steroids? Given this choice, and the number of athletes who have been found to have taken steroids... I don't think it's a stretch to see that a few would sneak animal protein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auxin Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Oh I dont doubt that some people who claim to be veg*n sneak meat, just like theres some alleged meat eaters that are secretly veg*n, some preists that are secretly not celibate, and some politicians that are secretly good people. Humans arent known for being consistantly honest, especially when ego gets in the picture....My point being that the recommended diet for US citizens is quite probably not ideal.Oh, thats not even a matter of debate. Its a matter of public record.The average american gets 40% their calories from fat, the AHA and other US health authorities set the ideal goal of 30% calories from fat, a number that would be laughable if it were not killing people. When their scientists were grilled by other scientists well versed in nutrition those health authorities openly admitted that yes, their published guidelines promote disease and death... but a little less! They fear that if given the truth about how fucked most people have made themselves their guidelines would be ignored as unattainable. Perhaps true in many cases, but people still should be given accurate information. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qualia Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Lastly, would you agree it's possible that some of these vegxn athletes could sneak animal protein into their diets? I mean by declaring themselves to be vegxn, do the Food Police start monitoring their diet? Is it worse for a "vegxn" athlete to eat meat, or for any athlete to take steroids? Given this choice, and the number of athletes who have been found to have taken steroids... I don't think it's a stretch to see that a few would sneak animal protein. well, they're probably using those soy protein powders, or that TVP* what i think auxin mentioned (i looked it up cos i'd never heard of it apparently it has protein content similar to meat). at any rate on a few vegan bodybuilding websites/forums i've looked at most of them were using some sort of protein supplement. *sidebar: i think i may have tried this once a few years ago from an indian grocer after some guy in my building at the time mentioned them, these dried out balls of soy or something. after i reconstituted them they tasted like soggy rubber, gross. i don't get "meat replacements" at all ,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auxin Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I ate a fake meat once, a school friends family was lacto-vegetarian and I had one of their soy burgers. It gave me a stomach ache for a day... years later after firing my quacks I discovered that I'm allergic to oxidized glycated non-fresh animal protein sources. The kind known to promote cancer and heart disease anyway. Interesting that I responded to a soy burger as if it was pepperoni or sausage.Other than being high fat, whole soy beans may not be inherently bad.. however all that processed soy trash is rancid and glycated. Peas and lentils are good enough for when extra protein is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qualia Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 hm, so you don't eat tofu at all? not that it's related to you, but i think tofu gets a lot of bad wrap in western dietary circles. i personally love it, and'll eat at least once a week.oh and i love veggie burgers myself. don't buy any because most bought foods i don't like, but theres these veggie sausages i don't mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Man those veggie burgers at EGA where the bomb! Loved the smart-ass guy who sold em to! Good value! Especially when he was tripping balls. I would've spent the best part of 100 buks on them burgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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