Fiona Horne

[Al]

Just wondering about Fiona Horne (you know that "white witch" on TV alot)

Is she 'respected' as bona-fide by others in here 'profession' ?

ie, Is she for real - or a glossy media rep for her industry?

Has she ever done anything that would confirm her as genuine?

etc.....

Just wonderin'

[toby]

i dont know about her rep in the witch industry, but she used to be a singer in a surfie band that had some chart success ,one of their albums had a sheet of purple oms for cover art, as was the style of the day

ie plastikman-spastik album, i don't think

it generated much attention though, so she pursued a solo career as an author [good or bad ?haven't looked] ,but most importantly she jumped onto the media machine with witchcraft as her prop, or perhaps she used magic to get on the media machine ?

[coin]

looks like you'll soon be seeing her on some aaron spelling tripe..she's taken up residency in the US

[Guest VENDEJO]

a friend who's into Wiccanism said she was fairly good in her line of work until she sold out in a big way and rode the media bandwagon. I remember seeing her on Russel Gilbert's show. Why?

[rkundalini]

I saw her speaking once at Borders bookshop. Never judge a book by its cover, BUT in this case the cover looked pretty shit. She came across as a major bandwagoner. Like a lot of people coming to wiccan/witchcraft these days, she seemed to be looking for pre-packaged, pre-digested spirtual practice. Not quite as bad as Women's Weekly Feng Shui but almost. (Then again the same thing can be said for the majority of practitioners of many organized religions)

I love the way a lot of these modern witchcraft practices claim descendence from ancient tradition, and yet plants only play symbolic roles and drug use is frowned upon. Blah. Wasn't wicca invented by some guy in the 1940s or something?

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[Gwydion]

rkundalini wrote:

"I love the way a lot of these modern witchcraft practices claim descendence from ancient tradition, and yet plants only play symbolic roles and drug use is frowned upon. Blah. Wasn't wicca invented by some guy in the 1940s or something?"

Nah, much earlier than that; at LEAST the 30's. And even then it was based (very loosely) on books written only few decades before, mostly dealing with spurious ideas of a pan-European Mother Goddess/ Horned God cult. Margaret Murray (and a collection of Indo-germanicists; isn't 'aryan' such a LURVELY word?) has a lot to answer for. Not least Ms Horne, who is one of the fastest people to irritate me I've ever met. (Probably coz I told her that Wicca's bunk). ;-)

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[Wazron]

***Warning***

Highly opinionated prose follows.

Self-discovery is the essence of the magical arts. Magic cannot be learned from a book, nor truly taught, for each person has different keys to the locks that hold back their power. For some people the key is will, for some the key is denial, for some it is pain and for other the pursuit of altered states. In order to truly experience magic- the art of changing your environment and circumstance by directed energies- you must first understand how the enegies work within yourself.

There are discount bookshops crammed with cheap oracles. It's almost sad that these oracles (ie the 'white witch kit', 'Feng shui kit', Fiona Horne's book- the title of which I have blotted from my memory in a vain attempt to erase all knowledge of her existence)- did not bother to reveal to their creators that they were not going to be commercial successes.

Magic has become like an alternative viagra for the impotent soul of the modern searcher. Ten, fifteen years ago, kids that were into 'magic' thought it was about heavy metal, mull, and Satanism (not that Satan, I suspect, was ever very flattered by the calibre of followers he attracted from the ranks of disaffected 80's Australian youth). I made my way by a different path, that of internal discovery. These days, Magic is another label to be peddled, a panacea for the spiritual malaise of our materialistic world. Better still, it's one that can't be trademarked. Kids morose because they don't have a future? Maybe a genuine Hopi Dreamcatcher will make them happier. Teenager constantly depressed? Buy him a bag of runes.

Even those who divide magic into white or black miss the point. These are the ones who have succumbed to the fantasy of magic, that there will be a 'threefold return'. During Victorian times, these would have been the same people that read 'L'morte d'Arthur' by Malory and thought that yes, that's exactly how medieval times must have been. Magic is neither black nor white. The intent guiding the magic is what is black or white.

So, to Fiona Horne and all of her ilk: to all the dopey, middle-aged, middle-class white witches, the 'druids' that plague Giant's Dance whenever there is a conjunction of astronomical events and TV cameras, and the assorted book-reading, passive white-magic types who never dare to examine their true nature too closely lest they find too much space between the warp and the weft; Know thyself. And that's the one thing that no book will ever teach you, nor any coven leader, nor any glossy, lip-varnished, makeup-starched, wiccan media prostitute.

waz

[Darklight]

Originally posted by Wazron:

Self-discovery is the essence of the magical arts.

Self discovery is the essence of a lot of things. Aspects of art, science and literature feature self discovery as a part of the process. Why the recent fad for a predigested magikal renaissance should claim self knowledge as its sole preserve is a total mystery. Why so many ppl believe it is another

Magic has become like an alternative viagra for the impotent soul of the modern searcher.

And aren't we all bored with the latest crop of ppl who are *terribly* powerful in those other, higher, invisible dimensions while remaining completely ineffective and useless in consensus reality?

If I never meet another person who claims to be able to fully understand and manipulate great levels of psychic energy because of their superior understanding of a secret level of power only available to themselves etc it will be a happier future I envisage.

Sheesh, no wonder I'm a redneck.

[shroomy]

Originally posted by Wazron:

***Warning***

Highly opinionated prose follows.

Ten, fifteen years ago, kids that were into 'magic' thought it was about heavy metal, mull, and Satanism

i was never realy into majik or satanism but i was however heavily into metal and mull and found them to be excellent companions

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[Wazron]

Hey, I never claimed to be more powerful or magically adept than anyone else. All I ever meant to say was that magic is something that comes from within, not without. I find many of the challenges life sets for me become easier with the knowledge of the way my power interacts within me and my environment.

I really don't like these modern 'witches' with their spellbooks and their candles and all that crap. These things are foci, physical representations of desired effects. As long as the symbols assume a primary importance in the rituals, they act as crutches, barriers to true awareness of the nature of power.

The reason I didn't reply to Thespian Beefcake's post is because I don't consider myself a witch, a warlock or any other easy label. I just consider myself to be more self-aware than 99.998% of the rest of the population, simply because I have chosen, and faithfully followed, my own path.

In being true to ourselves, we discover that which makes us.

wwwwwwwaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzrrrrrrrroooooooonnnnnn

[Darklight]

Originally posted by Wazron:

Hey, I never claimed to be more powerful or magically adept than anyone else.

Waarkhh! I was being general, not specific. Actually I enjoyed yr allegedly highly opinionated prose and my thoughts were a follow-on, not a directed reply... I think I'll go back to shutting up and keeping my hideous opinions to myself. Sorry there cob, didn't mean to cause alarm.

simply because I have chosen, and faithfully followed, my own path.

Actually was hoping to meet you at EB2 and discuss some of the stuff you seem to know on EB and body building, I have a feeling one or two of my crew may be interested

[Guest VENDEJO]

Originally posted by Wazron:

I just consider myself to be more self-aware than 99.998% of the rest of the population, simply because I have chosen, and faithfully followed, my own path.

In being true to ourselves, we discover that which makes us.

Right on brother.