bℓσωηG Posted November 10, 2011 how much id like to wipe my ass with these crappy laws... We are not forcing any one to awaken to the sacred teaching of plants, up to the soul to seek , fuck fear i dont think we have time for to live in fear , although i do understand .Hell its frustrating when your heart tells you something is so right but to fit in to being a good robot you have to pretend otherwise... Peace n luv yall 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foo Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) I wonder what will happen if those proposed plant laws come in? Wouldnt that make most things discussed on here illegal? Id say so, yeh. Will be a sad day if/when it happens. how much id like to wipe my ass with these crappy laws... We are not forcing any one to awaken to the sacred teaching of plants, up to the soul to seek , fuck fear i dont think we have time for to live in fear , although i do understand .Hell its frustrating when your heart tells you something is so right but to fit in to being a good robot you have to pretend otherwise... Peace n luv yall Thats the game were playing though ... As much as we might dislike it. Edited November 10, 2011 by eatfoo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alchemica Posted November 10, 2011 I'd appreciate people who have insight letting me know if things need to be removed - PM etc. I'd prefer NOT to see any topics on incense blends etc. unless they are purely in the name of harm reduction using scientifically verifiable evidence, not mere speculation. Was a bit surprised by the recent posts, too. "KEEP IT LEGAL" is quite clear. Not sure if it has been corrected sufficiently or should simply be removed? I've said before, there are likely forums elsewhere to talk about such things if people want to go that way but this forum is not one of those places. Looking forward to hearing what people have to say here, or send me a PM if you like. Might merge with the keep it legal thread if the mod of this subforum desires? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foo Posted November 10, 2011 All too true! For me anyway, the leason is that i should PM mods more often, as it seems that few ever do. I think ive been guilty of the incense blends talk in the past, i guess that teaches me that we all have the potential to cross the line in the name of curiosity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted November 11, 2011 (edited) Alright, like i already mentioned is Torsten a little bit busy atm. I am sick of the flood of illegal topics and will take action until he´s back now. From now on, i will hand out warning points if people keep on breaking the rules. I cant moderate the other forums myself but i wont take any more illegal topics around here. If people keep posting rule breaking topics, i will put them on moderator preview until further notice. Edited November 11, 2011 by Evil Genius 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tipz Posted November 11, 2011 (edited) wrong thread woops ! Edited November 11, 2011 by tipz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted November 11, 2011 look, my post is worded now, pretty well, so stopp giving me a hard time, tripsis. this had to be, published, because if it's true, it's a fazinating NEW discovery. in no way, is it a recipe, for manufactur. the second troublechild could be, the aya refrozen thread, but it's not realy a problematic thread. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tripsis Posted November 12, 2011 As I said, I wasn't trying to target anyone in particular, so try not to take it as a personal attack. If your thread needed to be reworded to make it conform to forum rules, then it's hardly me that's the problem here. I don't care to be a Nazi about who is and isn't conforming to the rules, but I think that some threads ought not to be publicly posted. As for that refrozen aya thread, I think it's as bad as any of the others. It's still discussing a topic on an illegal preparation and stating it's in the US isn't much different from stating that it belongs to a gnome. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted November 12, 2011 (edited) you deleted all your e.g seed post's, do you want me to delete, very good info, unique info??? all the topics you are upset about are at least informative. you started topic's, with only having your own interressts in mind, get real, tripsis! this is hopefully my last post about this, we all make mistakes, i got no problems, admitting mistakes. but don't throw with stones if you are in the glasshouse, and your stones were called e.g. (a plant name, no member name!) Edited November 12, 2011 by planthelper 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzac Posted November 12, 2011 So ph, do the rules against discussing illegal activities not apply when the topic is unique and interesting? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tripsis Posted November 12, 2011 (edited) PH, you're taking this extremely personally and as a result, are attacking me personally. Selling/trading seed is not a crime PH. You benefited from those seeds too, so don't be a hypocrite. It was well within my rights to delete those posts. Please edit your post to remove your defaming comments, or I will report it. Edit: typos Edited November 12, 2011 by tripsis 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psylo Posted November 12, 2011 Someone should remove this emoticon, because it insinuates marijuana usage. Sure, it can be used for other things, but the intent when dropping this into a post is without a doubt relating to illegal activity. Same too with this little fellah. He's eating a mushroom, then starts changing into bright rainbow colours. Not an effect from any Portobellos Ive ever munched Just so Im keeping up: No discussion about using illegal plants No discussion about using legal plants Is it possible to change the name of the domain SHAMAN Australis to NANNA Australis ? 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foo Posted November 12, 2011 Thats funny never heard of a law against chaning colours. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted November 12, 2011 I am a bit busy to go into detail about this, but here are a few things to consider: Almost ANYTHING can be said in a way so that it is not incriminating. Don't be so lazy. Mods have a lot of freedom to decide what thread is OK and what isn't. This often depends on the uniqueness of the topic for example. yes, new information certainly gets a LOT more leeway than discussing the same damn cactus potency for the 50th time. While overseas research and citing work done by others is no way to avoid drawing attention to yourself, such posts are usually not incriminating and hence this is an interesting way of phrasing things. Keep in mind though that soem information is also illegal to transmitt or download, so saying you copied a recipe from an overseas site can get you in almost as much trouble as having written it yourself. This forum does fine without most of the illegal discussion. It simply isn't needed in most cases. And if it is unavoidable then don't be blatant about it. It is quite reasonable to discuss traditional uses for example without needing to state something like: "i picked 20 shrooms, boiled them up, consumed them, and got really sick. what did i do wrong?". This could be written:"the mazatecs would limit their shroom doses to 10 shrooms. It stands to reason that side effects happen at higher doses". Do some research and put your questions and statements into a context of ethnobotanical study rather than that of 'how drug fucked can I get'. This is a forum about shamanism and by extension about ethnobotany and pharmacology. Most of the questionable threads have very little resemblance to either of these disciplines. if you want drug administration info then go the bluelight. Most cases of (self)incrimination are based on a misguided sense of not being targeted. Like Julian claiming that law enforcement is not interested in DMT for example. While he is welcome to take those risks himself, they have no place on this forum and should probably be treated with caution by anyone contemplating them. I don't want to single out Julian with this either because there are plenty of others with similar views. Build your own forum and put your neck on the line if you are that confident. Keep in mind that this forum is not just for today, but also for next year. And currently the laws are getting tougher while the enforcement is getting weaker. Being blatant invites trouble and puts the forums at risk. Keepign it low key usually does not limit the content, but keeps us safe. and psylo, you're being an unconstructive ass - as usual. None of the things you carry on about are at issue here and you are just being divisive. It's about balance. if you can't see that then maybe it can be restored by your absence. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psylo Posted November 12, 2011 and psylo, you're being an unconstructive ass - as usual. None of the things you carry on about are at issue here and you are just being divisive. It's about balance. if you can't see that then maybe it can be restored by your absence. Thanks for the abuse and the bullying, asshole. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foo Posted November 12, 2011 Thanks for the abuse and the bullying, asshole. I actualy have nothing against you. But if Torsten is infact bulling you, then good on him. Your bullshit rant about the same topic in a different thread really showed me what your about. Read the forum rules, they have been here longer then you or i. I doubt anyone cares if you want the shroom smilie banned. Although i think most care about the forum existing into the future. Maybe you just need to chill out bro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phyllode Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) I was warned in another thread over what to me is simply repeating scientific or well known information about constituents of plants. What is the problem with this, there are illegal plants discussed on this forum? I am also quite offended that a moderator suggested that i was incriminating myself, which i certainly was not! If i quoted from TIKHAL that x was in a plant, is that against this forum's rules? People should have a right to exchange facts about what may be in plants. This in no way implies that people are in possession of the plants, material, or extracting them. I still consider my 'warning' quite unprecedented, odd, and slightly unnecessarily heavy or OTT, and it has unfortunately unfavourably affected my view of the site. Edited November 13, 2011 by phyllode Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzac Posted November 13, 2011 I think your warning had a lot more to do with your blatant disrespect of the moderator than whether or not you actually broke the rules in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) Listen phyllode, ballzac already said it and i already wrote about this ridiculous situiation in the other thread too. But i have no problem to make it real slow for you. Torsten, the Admin and moderator of the forum was out. Travelling due to some legal troubles of unclear dimension and unable to moderate his forums. I am in no way a specialist on the laws about DMT Containing plants. But i know very well what kind of thread was totally unappropriate under the given circumstances and a total unclear legal outcome and thats why I DECIDED TO DECLARE IT CLOSED. You on the other hand blatantly disregarded my posting directly above and continued with the discussion. I dont care how much you nagg about it or how much experience with legal topics you have (which you might need in the future because law enforcement will increase their efforts on this subject); you are on someone else´s board and you need to respect the rules of this place or you wont last. This forum belongs to a friend of mine and he runs a business. A legal business that he still wants to be there in a few years from now. Thats why not all the grey areas of the law need to be used out to their fullest around here. He is the one with his head in the knot and he knows damn well how much risk he is willing to take. If you want to take more, thats fine. He´s back to moderate the forum again and he can surely use other standards to moderate it but when he was out, i decided i want to be on the safe side. If you are unwilling to respect that you dont belong here. Go open up a forum and inform the people. Nothing bad about that. Just dont be surprised if you should find yourself in very small and manageble room for a few years one day...happens fast sometimes. Some DA´s and judges have a very wide interpretation of the law if they want to convict you of something. bye Eg Edited November 13, 2011 by Evil Genius 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted November 13, 2011 EG, the forums are separate from the business, so I am not concerned about any cross contamination of risk. however you are perfectly right about the personal risk of such a forum and everything you said applies perfectly to that. I have no interest in having personal legal problems just because some noob can't use the search engine and asks the same incrminating question that's been discussed for years. as for my current legal issues, they are not connected to the forums, and if they ever were I'd let the mods know about it so they can make special provisions for that risky period that usually follows any arrest etc. Thank for looking out for me. It's good to know you guys have my back. In this case however it should not affect the forums at all other than that the system has sucked away a precious week of my time which means I have less time for the forums. Phyllode, threads usually aren't deleted and no warning is final if there might be other circumstances involved. I haven't seen the thread in question yet, but if it is still an issue then I can have a look at it. If EG was being overcautious due to my situaiton then we can all have a chat and work it out. however, generally EG is pretty spot on when it comes to legalities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) Hi Torsten, glad to hear your alright. It is this one: http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=29950&view=getnewpost The Reason i wanted to put it on hold is because they were discussing the ingestion of DMT Containing plants in a very detailed way and i assumed it could be seen as self-incrimination. I had a similar thread in chill space recently and we decided it would be too much so i applied the same principle for this one too. As i couldnt set it as invisble, i wanted it to be on hold till your return. Like i said, if you feel like bringing the thread back to life under some certain conditions, i dont have problems with it. But please make sure to give him the warning point as it´s was the undermining of my decision that could have potentially caused some serious problems around here. If people just keep on deciding themselves what threads are within the rules or not, moderating is pretty much impossible. And under the difficult circumstances we were in, that was particularly unacceptable. bye Eg Edited November 13, 2011 by Evil Genius Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted November 13, 2011 I've had a look at the thread and it was definitely incriminating. problem is that many people don't know what the laws are so don't know when they are breaking them. But that's why it pays to follow the mod's instructions and then take the dispute up in private. I've fixed the thread to an acceptable level - acceptable when taking the novelty of the topic into consideration. Phyllode got a warn point. Psylo got some time off till at least xmas [i'll review his permanent status when I am in a better mood]. Teotz is banned. I've tidied up a few more threads and PM'ed the respective posters about the issues. All should be back to normal now. I am physically and emotionally exhausted from recent events in my life, so if anyone else wants to waste my time and energy with inane crap then I am happy to give more time-outs as I doubt I'll be able to recharge much till after xmas and those shit-stirrers are just not that important in my life. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phyllode Posted November 14, 2011 Evil Genius wrote: Just dont be surprised if you should find yourself in very small and manageble room for a few years one day...happens fast sometimes I assume this happens to people who profit from their activities, or have trafficable amounts of substances. I am deeply offended that you would suggest that I may be such a person. Even Timothy Leary had to actually be found in possession of things to wind up in jail. Your attitude, to me, is potentially incriminating of lawful members, and dangerous, as well as your use of fear and intimidation to get your viewpoint across. . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheather Posted November 14, 2011 Your attitude, to me, is potentially incriminating of lawful members, and dangerous, as well as your use of fear and intimidation to get your viewpoint across. No it isn't. How is that attitude incriminating to anyone? He said to you that if you open up your own forum and allow illegal discussion then you may end up in a cell. He is well within his rights to close a thread to be on the safe side, and you are being a complete tool for; not only disregarding the rules of this forum, which you appear to have joined very recently, but you're going to start a fight with a mod? When they're in the right? Golly you might be offended at apparent suggestions that you possess drugs in traffickable quantities (which wasn't suggested by the way) but you can be a mite dense. the thread ... was definitely incriminating Read the rules, and be more careful with your posts. The actions of EG here aren't those that endanger others of the forum, but yours just might if you keep down this path. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phyllode Posted November 14, 2011 Actually I think you have to be one of the ruder, denser people I've come across lately. I have READ THE RULES and NO, NOTHING I POSTED WAS INCRIMINATING. Maybe YOU have something to FEAR, I do not. If you are typical of the kind of attitude in this Forum, then I quite happily choose to leave. Really, I don't think you know what you are talking about, Sheather. You are a parrot. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
