∂an Posted October 5, 2011 I really love these rock paintings from the Tassili plateau (note the second one is a 'contemporary' interpretation ). Anyone know if you can buy T-shirts with the images printed on them? If not, anyone keen on buying one if I get some printed? Would need to get high res images though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obtuse Posted October 5, 2011 I would ***really*** love to see some images of the original rock carving of both. Apparently kat harrison did a little interpretation on that first image as well. so im curious... Cheers, Obtuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
∂an Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) yeah I think the ones circulating the net are Kat's drawings. Will investigate further... Edit: The original photographs were taken by a guy called Jean-Dominique Lajoux in 1961 (link) Edited October 5, 2011 by kalika Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zen Peddler Posted October 6, 2011 I think I saw some on ebay a while back but I dispute the interpretation that it depicts mushrooms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
watertrade Posted October 6, 2011 but I dispute the interpretation that it depicts mushrooms. Hi Zen, what do you think they depict? I have no knowledge of african rock art so can't add anything to the discussion, I'm just curious what you think? cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcel Posted October 6, 2011 Clearly they're umbrellas. He's the umbrella god. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
∂an Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) There are original images of the rock art on pages 6 and 7 of that link I posted. But I can't see any resembling the bee man or the mushroom runners. From reading Graham Hancock's book 'Supernatural', I would think that most anthropologist would say they are hunting magic drawings with the mushrooms actually being arrow heads or something like that. It's strange that given all the speculation about prehistoric use of mushrooms by man (outside of the americas), that these two images are all the evidence we have. The mushroom experience seems so profound and easily accessible that it really confuses me as to why its image is not more prolific. edit: this is where the originals of the 'mushroom' images are published - 'The Rock Paintings of the Tassili' by Jean-Dominique Lajoux, 1963, pp. 71, 72-73. Edited October 6, 2011 by kalika Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strangebrew Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) Fungi Perfecti They've had them for ages & seemed happy to send them OS when I enquired a few years back but yes, I'd like to see the original as well. Did someone say artistic license? lol Edited October 8, 2011 by strangebrew 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alice Posted October 8, 2011 ^ It's hands look empty to me... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strangebrew Posted October 8, 2011 If you up the contrast you can make out 4 "shrooms" - one in each thigh & upper arm. More shroomy than arrowhead IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alice Posted October 8, 2011 Ah ok I see what you mean now. I was comparing the photo to the first picture in this thread, which I though was a redraw of the photo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strangebrew Posted October 8, 2011 Definately nothing in the hands. Damn though, would have scared the crap out of any youngster/s doing initiation ceremonies down in those caves. What an experience! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
∂an Posted October 8, 2011 Fungi Perfecti They've had them for ages & seemed happy to send them OS when I enquired a few years back but yes, I'd like to see the original as well. Did someone say artistic license? lol ahh should have known Paul Stamets would have already done this... cheers! and thanks for the original image of the bee man strange brew. I can make out a few 'shroom' looking objects at least, would be amazing to see this rock art IRL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qualia Posted October 8, 2011 so who did the original b/w drawing in the 1st pic? i've seen that cited in books as actual rock art, but now am i lead to believe it isn't? certainly it only bears a passing resemblance t the art in post #12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strangebrew Posted October 8, 2011 i've seen that cited in books as actual rock art, If you're referring to McKenna's "Food of the Gods" you may be right - Kathleen Harrison, his missus drew it. lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obtuse Posted October 9, 2011 Its another case of when one persons interpretation has taken on a myth of its own and now depicted as fact. There are so many of these cases now and i feel its really unfortunate as it helps to destroy any acedemic credibility that may have been present in the first place. Gordon Wasson, was also a good one at finding mushrooms where they never were, despite all the other amazing info he helped uncover, his obsession helped undo his credibility. I would recommend reading 'Shroom' by Andy Letcher to anyone who is interested in this myth making element of the pyschedelic rediscovery of modern times. Cheers, Obtuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qualia Posted October 9, 2011 i'll have to check, pretty sure it was in the stamets "psilocybin mushrooms of the world" book. not sure as i haven't opened it in a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obtuse Posted October 9, 2011 (edited) The Kat Harrison image was first printed in Oss and Oeric's revised edition of 'Psilocybin: the magic mushroom growers guide' in 1986. It has since been published in numerous publications including Mckenna's 'Food of the Gods', Stamet's 'Psilocybin musrooms of the world' (uncredited), and as the front cover of Devereux's 'The Long Trip'. Cheers, Obtuse. Edited October 9, 2011 by obtuse Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strangebrew Posted October 9, 2011 How was it described in Food of the Gods - an artistic interpretation or actual rock art? I can't remember & I sold my copy many moons ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zen Peddler Posted October 10, 2011 (edited) They could be anything and I think it takes a lot of arrogance for someone from a different culture with zero appreciation of the cultural context of the artist to make any assumptions about what the image depicts so that it fits their own agenda. Edited October 10, 2011 by Zen Peddler BlueGreenie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strangebrew Posted October 11, 2011 Its another case of when one persons interpretation has taken on a myth of its own and now depicted as fact. There are so many of these cases now and i feel its really unfortunate as it helps to destroy any acedemic credibility that may have been present in the first place. Gordon Wasson, was also a good one at finding mushrooms where they never were, despite all the other amazing info he helped uncover, his obsession helped undo his credibility. I would recommend reading 'Shroom' by Andy Letcher to anyone who is interested in this myth making element of the pyschedelic rediscovery of modern times. Cheers, Obtuse. I can't work out why the McKenna's would so blatantly misrepresent the image when there really is no need to - does it really need genitals? and why Stamets has continued to run with it is beyond me. P.S. actually found a review of an Andy Letcher talk yesterday where he mentioned it. Andy Letcher talk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solomon Posted October 11, 2011 How was it described in Food of the Gods - an artistic interpretation or actual rock art? I can't remember & I sold my copy many moons ago. In my edition (1999, has a close up of a shroom cut for printing on the cover) the image is credited to his partner Kat, and it says it's from the original in The Rock Paintings of The Tassili, 1963. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
