Tomer Corymbosa Posted August 5, 2005 i bought from "Shaman's Palace" few months ago seeds of mimosa hostilis. i germinate em sucssefuly and they r strong & healthy. but how can i know for sure it is HOSTILIS? most of them have little spines[i'm always gettin stub from them ] so now should i waite for the white flowers to come? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted August 5, 2005 you can wait for the flowers, but they won't be white I bought 3 batches from Shaman Palace (both retail and wholesale) and all of them turned out to be a very spiny and barbed non-tree Mimosa. I don't know what species it is, but it has mauve flowers and simply does not even remotely look like M.hostilis. Sadly JoJo did not reply to my email about this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stonehenge Posted August 5, 2005 I got my mimosa hostilis seed from s. america and it's got spines. Are you saying hostilis does not have spines, Torsten? How large were your seeds? Mine were small, about 2mm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomer Corymbosa Posted August 5, 2005 i'm tellin u - i orders from shaman palace in40$ and they said they didnt recieved my money!! don't order from them!!!! i can't trust anyone these days... but sure i'll order the real seeds from SAB...i hope they r real torsten Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted August 6, 2005 About the palace i have to say that they delivered very reliable and fast! They have a friendly service too. On the other hand i dicovered once some plastic foil in their Mitragyna Resin Extract, which is definately not acceptable!Otherwise the delivered goods have been ok. Unfortunately a lot of sources sell misidentifies species, particularly from Mimosa Hostilis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted August 6, 2005 I have only praise for shaman's palace in all other respects. Always reliable with orders and whenever there has been an ID problem in the past he fixed it immediately. Hostilis has occasional large spines. In frequency they are kinda like roses (but different shape). The hostilis from SP has many many tiny spines and barbs, just like Mimosa pudica. His plants are also somewhat touch sensitive. The seed was small and a little lighter than the hostilis I have, although this is most likely environmental. Bottom line is that the flowers are the wrong colour, so there really is no argument that SP stocks the wrong species. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomer Corymbosa Posted August 10, 2005 so what do u think will be the effects of my fake mimosa? will it make the job or i should cut it?? any suggests? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted August 10, 2005 That is depending on what species it actually is. In TROUTS SOME SIMPLE TRYPTAMINES, they stated that very young seedlings of Mimosa Pudica which have been tested showed a very dark suspected 5 Meo DMT band.Their tests with older plants did´nt showed up this band. If think it is possible that M.pucdica might be able to produce tryptamines under some special circumstances. But that´s just my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amanito Posted August 11, 2005 I have tree big young plants of few months old, seeds also bought from palace. I mixed hostilis and scrabella, stupid me, don't know what it is. Now after few monthes i sow those seeds I see three other seedlings come up very fast. It are the same plants. Holy shit, didn't expect that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Talby Posted August 12, 2005 JL Hudson's last update had hostillis seeds...he's usually pretty good about ID's, I wonder if they're the real thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bean me Posted August 14, 2005 evil genious, what part of the young seedling are you talking about ? i have been roasting the seeds and drinking with limestone, effects are sometimes very pleasant, othertimes not much going on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted August 14, 2005 They used whole plants to make the tests. DMT did not start to shop up in assays after second year. In low amounts in stem and leaf after the first year(15 month old plants). Concentrations were higher in the roots! A very worthy book about this topic is trouts notes on some simple tryptamines. Maybe you can obtain a copy somehow.I heard it´s going to be reprinted soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomer Corymbosa Posted October 4, 2005 here is the pic of MIMOSA HOSTILIS sold by shamans palace. 3 months old. so what do u think? do i have a chance it is REAL hostilis ? ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teonanacatl Posted October 5, 2005 no that looks like pudica Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomer Corymbosa Posted October 5, 2005 sorry not pudica thats for sure, i have seeds of pudica and its totaly different. also the leaves are not sensetive to touch and are closed only at night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted October 5, 2005 it's not hostilis. It looks very much like pudica, but has a few differences. has it flowered yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chilli Posted October 5, 2005 I used to have a sensitive plant type mimosa... what species is that? Also, there is a forest of some type of mimosa growing wild in a park near here... How can you Identify whether it is a psychoactive species? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomer Corymbosa Posted October 5, 2005 not flower yet,torsten the seeds of this mimosa looks like the seeds of real hostilis,they don't look at all like pudica,they are smaller a little than pudica and have the shape of hostilis. maybe i need to upload a photo of em,i still have some 20 or something... my cam was fucked before 2 weeks damn.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pisgah Posted November 6, 2005 That picture looks like most of the pudica I have seen in the states. Stems are way too green to be hostilis, and there are no rose-like thorns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted November 6, 2005 seeds are not a good indicator of species in this case as various climatic conditions drastically change the general appearance of the seed, incl colour, shape and size. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apothecary Posted November 6, 2005 I'm beginning to think the ones from BouncingBear aren't hostilis either. They have become touch sensitive and there are many spines growing up the main stem. In which case I may pull the plant out, money is short and I need all the pots and soil I can get :/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted November 6, 2005 I'm beginning to think the ones from BouncingBear aren't hostilis either.They have become touch sensitive and there are many spines growing up the main stem. In which case I may pull the plant out, money is short and I need all the pots and soil I can get :/ Is the BB seed the same that you gave me a few of? Do you have a pic of your plant? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apothecary Posted November 6, 2005 Yep those are the ones, I will post a pic tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teonanacatl Posted November 7, 2005 my first lot of seed produced plants that werent sensitive, my second lot produced plants that are sensitive though no were near as much as pudica, but the thing is my older plants also have become sensitive, maybe to do with season. my older one has developed thorns aswell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites