qualia Posted July 19, 2011 i can just imagine t-pain doing a version of "give it to me baby",, lol, talk about a one trick pony..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chnt Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) Edit: accidental post Edited July 19, 2011 by chnt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fairy Posted July 19, 2011 Rabaelthazar, What would your boy think of this? Or what would you think of a girl around his age/a bit older, watching this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rabaelthazar Posted July 19, 2011 Realistically, it would go over the heads of most kids under 15. They might think it was a bit weird, but they're not going to have any reference to sadomasochism in the real world. To a kid, this film clip would be people dressed in costumes dancing to a song. If they took the time to analyse the lyrics (and how many kids do that - it's very common for kids to sing along to a song, get the lyrics wrong and completely miss the point) they'd maybe get a giggle about the word "sex". Again, worst comes to worst and they are curious, I believe it's better for a parent to explain in a way appropriate to the age level what the song is about. There's nothing wrong with S&M when it's performed by consenting adults. Why should we be ashamed of something that is done for fun? Personally, I don't like this song, only for the reason that I find it totally unbelievable. Listening to Rhianna sing it, you can tell that she's never actually gotten into the scene. Maybe she'd used fluffy handcuffs with a boyfriend, but she's never been to a real dungeon. Purely after shock value. Sell-out.... but that doesn't make me hate it, or her or the industry. It is what it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fairy Posted July 19, 2011 Kids under 15 are often already watching porn and have been sexually active for at least a year, I don't think this would go over their heads, and if it did, they would have to be a rareity amongst their peers. Songs/videos like this are contributors to 10 year old's losing their virginity to be "cool" and having issues with sexuality and relationships for the rest of their lives. I have 3 young nieces and nephews between ages 2-5, they are extremely bright kids, kids are getting smarter every generation, especially with the range of learning tools available to them and the techonolgy they're exposed to. I know that at least one of these kids would at least recognise the sexualised costumes in this clip, as I have heard her say "that's not very modest" about girl's outfits before. And questioned her parents as to why they dress that way. No offence, but I think you're severely underestimating the ability of young people to understand clips/songs like this. They know a lot more than you might think they do. It's naive of older people to think that kids are oblivious to this stuff or don't understand it. When I was 14, a friend of mine said to me "my new years resolution is to lose my virginity." She did later that year after hooking up with boys at the cinemas and letting them finger her for practise. This was not an isolated incidient. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rabaelthazar Posted July 20, 2011 Kids under 15 are often already watching porn and have been sexually active for at least a year, I don't think this would go over their heads, and if it did, they would have to be a rareity amongst their peers. Songs/videos like this are contributors to 10 year old's losing their virginity to be "cool" and having issues with sexuality and relationships for the rest of their lives. OK, fair point. I've got the age wrong there. But the point is still the same. Up until a certain age, the imagery will go over the kids' heads and after that point they are able to have it explained. You're right, thinking back to watching "Girls on Film" on tv, I was well aware of the sexuality being presented. I liked it, even though I hadn't hit puberty yet. I also watched Monty Python as a kid which was chock full of sexual references, often including bestiality and adultery. And yes, you're right, kids watch porn. I looked at stolen playboys and read erotic stories as a kid, some of which in hindsight were pretty damn inappropriate. Kids in the 1950s were looking at erotic comic strips. Same concept, different content. You and Chnt are in your early 20s, right? I think that was mentioned in another thread. What's the deal? Why are you so uptight? Enjoy life a bit more, let go of your anger. You remind me of extreme left wing, middle aged fuddy duddies complaining about the state of affairs. I guess if that's how you want to be, then that's your choice. Personally, I'd rather have uncensored access to information and freedom of speech/thought and take the responsibilty to educate my kids so that they can use their own instincts to decide what is right and wrong. When I was a kid, I (and most of my peers) had access to sexual material, played violent games, listened to racist comedy, watched violent movies. When I was an early teenager, I drank, I smoked, I took drugs, I had sex, I took risks. I've turned out fine. The majority of my peers have turned out fine. There are a few exceptions to that of course, as there would have been for my parents' generation and as there will be for my kids' generation. Bottom line from my point of view is that we have a choice as to how teach and raise the next generation. Regardless of what's being portrayed in the media, morally upstanding and wise human beings can be developed with good parenting and support from other adults in the community. Anyway... wasn't this thread originally about all the music sounding the same? Not that I mind this angle of conversation, but we've strayed a bit from the original post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slybacon Posted July 20, 2011 Rhianna is an Illuminati Puppet pretty sure owned by Disney. Kids should not be watching her crap. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fairy Posted July 20, 2011 Haha, I can see where you would get that idea, I just think you're taking our point the wrong way. I'm not as passionately angered by radio music as he is and tolerate it more, but I definitely agree with the bigger picture of the influence of the media and how fucked it is, which I think is the main reasoning behind the anger. If I could show you some examples of the dimwitted people I've come across that have been totally brainwashed by this shit, then maybe it would make more sense to you... But oh well, I've lost interest in the conversation, maybe "chnt" will have a more eloquent response. Gotta say, erotic stories/comic strips are way cooler than watching porn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FancyPants Posted July 21, 2011 Now if I was really going to be a generalising judgemental bitch, I'd say one just needs to attend a festival like Good Vibrations to see how many people love pop rubbish, and dress (well at least put on a pair of short shorts) to match... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
etherealdrifter Posted July 21, 2011 Sounds like a severe case of music-ism to me. lol meeka sounds like you've got a severe case of the ism ism's lol 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
synchromesh Posted July 21, 2011 Rhianna is an Illuminati Puppet pretty sure owned by Disney. Kids should not be watching her crap. Shakira is hotter anyway. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dude Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) Pop music, as with all pop culture is part of the massive conspiracy to lower standards of art to be all the more mediocre and pathetic, to sell us our bread and circus at a lower cost to the manufacturer. Cookie cutter music is great if you can have people hooked on monotony and sell it as cool and exciting. I guess why the OP was angered is that by pointing out the sameness of two specific songs they imply that the rest of their playlist is brand new unique awesomeness. If you can manufacture such a Stockholm syndrome and placebo effect that the people exposed to this "music" start actually believing it's good. They start to enjoy their conformist prison of mediocre unexciting monotony and get back on the treadmill, you see the music is just a symptom of the machine that is systematic, organised and mass produced. Give me some lo-fi garage rock with soul any day over a musical masterpiece that follows all the right rules to get them hooks right into your brain and have it stuck there for ever! pop music is only popular because it's catchy and the ego bullshit is what we then go around thinking too, there is a reason why life imitates art. It is one thing to raise awareness and have a catharsis and then there's hiding in the ego games that pop culture promotes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv2qLOiioPc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkA6zugNMQ I've got no trouble with sex and drugs and rock and roll, I don't wish to censor music, like all art it's only real art if it's real! It's just that the themes of pop music instead of being any kind of look in the mirror that is art, instead of any kind of re-appraisal and self reflection, it is now merely nodding your head to the beat, marching to indifferent drum, while adopting all the ideals the elite has there planted for you. Listen to the words people say in their lyrics, and tell me, if that's some real shit, if that's real to you, you know what I mean. Listen to what they sayin', don't just bob your head to the beat, peep the game, and listen to what I'm saying. Hold us accountable for it.-Interview in jail (1995) It's not a matter of think of the children, it's think for yourself! Music like all mind control is especially insidious because it's seen as so harmless. Music to me is one of the most magical things in existence; I think it's of supreme influence and significance. Edited July 22, 2011 by The Dude 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qualia Posted July 22, 2011 how to make a pop hit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj3lMXHrPlo 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dude Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) Pop music is a weapon of mass distraction, causing inaction a weapon of mass destruction. Wouldn't be all that bad if it wasn't so popular. They call it the Music Industry, its products are the lobotomised minds of the listeners going through it's assembly lines. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Bwv7kNj9U ^^^This guy is amazing! Some songs I'm sure the conspiracy heads will enjoy Edited July 22, 2011 by The Dude Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dude Posted July 22, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=252gw4kdyLg ^^^Listen to lyrics!!! The music industry may as well be an arm of the military industrial complex, the old brainwash the masses to gain total control trick. *sigh*Also, that song was epic synchromesh! Cheers for sharing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
synchromesh Posted July 22, 2011 Glad you liked it dude. Good day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qualia Posted July 22, 2011 Pop music is a weapon of mass distraction, causing inaction a weapon of mass destruction. Wouldn't be all that bad if it wasn't so popular. They call it the Music Industry, its products are the lobotomised minds of the listeners going through it's assembly lines. isn't this what the klf were all about? i mean, i feel kind of a phony for bringing it up because i never looked into it and don't particularly care, but i've heard a lot of people cite klf as being "in the know" in regards to the industry, promotion and possible illuminati ties? the interested party* may want to dig deeper, just putting it out there incase no ones heard of it. *SWIM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rabaelthazar Posted July 22, 2011 Thanks, the Dude, for the B Dolan clip. Shall be checking him out further. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rabaelthazar Posted July 22, 2011 Thought this one was appropriate to the thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
