Are these pachanoi?

[krazykungfu]

I've had these little friends for a while and always assumed they were pachanoi - yet the more reading I do the more unsure I become, all this talk about hyprids and scops and short spined peruvians is tearing my brain apart

I don't know whether there's a simple answer to this question anymore but I thought I'd ask none the less

I guess a more direct question could be - would a shaman in Peru use these cactus?

Cheers

[solomon]

look like pachanoids to me..

i wonder how people i.d something like a pach x scop cos i wouldnt have a clue.

no idea about the last question sorry.

[tripsis]

Yes, they're pachanoi, or close enough for us to them that. The shamans in Peru use many different species, so I expect they would readily use that too.

E.g.:

Photo showing this plant (2nd from right) with 4 other cacti employed by Peruvian shamans as "San Pedro".

Photo by Anonymous.

From this site.

Edit: what is commonly referred to as pachanoi is a hybrid of some sort anyway. As the species has been in cultivation for so long, the original geographic location and habitat that it hails from has become obscured.

Edited January 7, 2011 by tripsis

[solomon]

wow tripsis that is a really beautiful photo.

look how fucking dark that pedro is!!

i like the one second from the left

[krazykungfu]

Thanks guys - speed demons!

Those cactus are pretty sweet lookin, we need our own personal peruvian shaman on this site! they got broadband on the mountain? ha ha I shouldn't joke - theyy probably do!!!

[Heffa]

look like pachanoids to me..

i wonder how people i.d something like a pach x scop cos i wouldnt have a clue.

no idea about the last question sorry.

 

I bought this as a Pach X Scop and ive added in a Scop and Pach for comparisons

Scop X Pach

Scop

Pach

[PD.]

bought this as a Pach X Scop

May i ask where ya got it?

I have seen some for sale on ebay listed as pach x scop "super pedro". Interested to know it the seller actually grew them from pach x scop seed and is calling it super pedro or if it is actually the clone commonly known by many here as super pedro.

[ENtiTY]

I have seen some for sale on ebay listed as pach x scop "super pedro". Interested to know it the seller actually grew them from pach x scop seed and is calling it super pedro or if it is actually the clone commonly known by many here as super pedro.

 

I was just about to start a new thread on that very subject but thought I'd better go and see if there is an existing "Ebay" thread of some sort. Anyway the pic in this listing looks nothing like the super pedro I have in my collection. My cactus was aquired from a member on this forum so I'm fairly sure it is super pedro.

Whats the history of super pedro anyway?

Sorry for the hijack

[tripsis]

Looks pretty scop-like to me. That's gomaos from AE, so you could ask him about it.

[krazykungfu]

Excuse the colloquialism but.... what the hell is a super pedro?

[PD.]

Sorry kkf, sorta derailed ya thread a bit man, see HERE for a bit of talk on super pedro. There is enough info in that thread to get you confused im sure

[krazykungfu]

All good on the hijack my question got answered - now I'm off to do so more confusing reading....

[Heffa]

May i ask where ya got it?

I have seen some for sale on ebay listed as pach x scop "super pedro". Interested to know it the seller actually grew them from pach x scop seed and is calling it super pedro or if it is actually the clone commonly known by many here as super pedro.

I got it from gom via eBay over 6 months ago and it was advertised as scop x pach unlike the ones on eBay at the moment. That's all I know about it though. Sorry

 

[naja naja]

ANother scop X pach, PD genetics

[PD.]

You sure ya got that from me naja?

[mac]

i picked up a couple of seedlings from my local Big W that look to be scop X pach, They seem to be the most common tricho sold commercially down this way

[naja naja]

80%sure pd. Was long time ago fhough

[M S Smith]

I really like the alleged T. scopulicola x T. pachanoi (obviously "PC" form). Seriously, someone has to cross T. scopulicola with your proper Ecuador/Peru T. pachanoi. That would be one plant I'd really want.

Dang, forgot about that "Super Pedro" thread...am I usually so wordy? Ugh!

~Michael~

[PD.]

Dang, forgot about that "Super Pedro" thread...am I usually so wordy? Ugh!

LOL!!!

Michael, there are still some buds on both my scop and yowie plants atm, If i get around to it i will do a cross. I have crossed yowie and super pedro this season, both ways, just waiting to see if the fruit is gon set.

[mutant]

I second the scop X anything hybridisation demand !!! especially the wiztastic supa dupa scopXbridge combo. Micromegas had shown such a plant or am I mistakeing?

I do have a very fatty scop or scopX [the dude that gave it to me ferted it a lot] whose surface is shiny. Maybe close to what Mike is looking [kk339 style phenotype X scop] , the main cactus of this clone has more than doubled it's height since put in the ground and thankfully it's tip survived the frosts that ruined the biggest portion of my columnar's tips. Or maybe it's a more scop-scop. I just realised I have no close up of this clone. Should take one of sure, it'a a huge cactus

[naja naja]

Actually PD, on second thoughts.... Maybe the scop X Pach came from Teo (Not Teotz)

I have several scop X bridge I got from Herbalistics several seasons ago. they have been constantly hacked at for grafting stock, so all are still very short, but in the ground as of 8 or so moinths ago.

[mutant]

I have several scop X bridge I got from Herbalistics several seasons ago. they have been constantly hacked at for grafting stock,

SACRILEGE!!!!

let them grow man!

[Sola]

I have one of what seems like SP, now I've read this thread, but have cut the plant for survival reasons.

Initially it seemed as though it was rotting but I've sen the warping flesh turn awesome again.

I love these plants and will grow them until I can no longer.

[selfsufficient]

Photo showing this plant (2nd from right) with 4 other cacti employed by Peruvian shamans as "San Pedro".

Photo by Anonymous.

people have probably noticed this already, but the values and contrast on this picture have really been pushed, I would guess the colors are not accurate, nor are all the super dark shadows/markings.

that said, thanks to this thread i can tell the difference between a scop, pach, and sp.

Thanks corroboree.

have a good one

~self

[PD.]

Actually PD, on second thoughts.... Maybe the scop X Pach came from Teo

Oh man, lmfao Youll figure it out one day najee.

Edited January 12, 2011 by PD.

[M S Smith]

Seriously, someone has to cross T. scopulicola with your proper Ecuador/Peru T. pachanoi. That would be one plant I'd really want.

 

Well, what do you know...looking over my plants I actually have a T. scopulicola x T. pachanoi "Juuls Giant." It's a young graft to a Pereskiopsis, but that should make it grow all the quicker. Can't wait till spring.

~Michael~