Roopey Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 None of your "facts" can be checked or validated either. Have you ever thought to look at the world outside of this literal scientific box you obviously live in? The reality is much more than physical processes, trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolos Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) What is wrong with you??? Off you go now you little denier...the grown ups are speaking...Your response to the Dr Evans video called you out...how can anyone debate anything with anyone who would say that video was full of crap....You don't deserve any acknowledgement that you are actually here. Edited May 4, 2012 by Dolos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolos Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 None of your "facts" can be checked or validated either. Have you ever thought to look at the world outside of this literal scientific box you obviously live in? The reality is much more than physical processes, trust me. Most of them are just plain old actual real world observations, not alarmist models....anything you dispute among them? If I looked up and told you the sky is blue today would I need to validate that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolos Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 The reality is much more than physical processes, trust me. You may be right Roopey...but you haven't even tried to persuade me to your way of thinking. What have you got that proves what your saying? It's not a one way street... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewind Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 As I said earlier...this is what the 'average Joe' sits down and reads every morning with his breaky.. Eh?These are the facts tweedle dee and tweedle dumb so it's time for you both to turn off now. You both need a bit more time to come to the realization you have been brainwashed...It's gunna sting a bit and we can't rush you...We need to ease you back to reality slowly...If the climate scientists tell me the globe is cooling then I will deal with that reality as and when it happens. So far the vast majority of the evidence is pointing the other direction, so this is the reality I am facing. Your weird ramblings don't seem to be evidence based, so I will ignore them for now. Still, it's fun pointing out your own delusions. As for the brainwashing in to believing that 97% of scientists are all involved in some kind of global marxist conspiracy to steal our hard won dollars instead of forking out for expensive, polluting energy supplies controlled by a cartel of people who give a shit about nothing except for our aforementioned hard won dollars, I think you need to stand back and try to figure out how the real world works in the economic climate as well as the physical one.Feel free to point out any lies, deceptions or alarmism. Sort of not quit going to plan is it.We've been doing that all along, Dolos, but as you are obsessed in non-evidence based reality you can't see it.Flannery's reputation is trashed beyond repair and the damage done to your cause is beyond measure...Care to take that to court Dolos or will you just libel the guy from anonymity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewind Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 None of your "facts" can be checked or validated either. Facts. They do exist. Care to check any of them out?http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data_reports.shtml#.T6N7_lJi2ycHave you ever thought to look at the world outside of this literal scientific box you obviously live in? And pray tell what this actually means?The reality is much more than physical processes, trust me.Yet do they negate the reality of the physical processes in any way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolos Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Yawn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halcyon Daze Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Oh YEAH! That Yawn really adds to the scientific debate...Is this piece of crap thread degenerated yet? We can make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolos Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Oh YEAH! That Yawn really adds to the scientific debate...Is this piece of crap thread degenerated yet? We can make it. There is no debate sunshine...If your interested in a legit debate how about you grow up and pop back and re view Dr Evans video but this time do it with out your rose coloured glasses on and give us a genuine assessment. Till you are able to do that you are not worth the time of day. You have proven yourself to be a denying hypocrite...Dr Evans is on YOUR side you fool....Funny how people react when they are loosing an argument...They openly admit to trying to degenerate a thread so as no one can debate it..Pretty much how the warmists have reacted from the start...Who can make it? You and 'passwind' haven't a chance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewind Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 There is no debate sunshine...If your interested in a legit debate how about you grow up and pop back and re view Dr Evans video but this time do it with out your rose coloured glasses on and give us a genuine assessment. Till you are able to do that you are not worth the time of day. You have proven yourself to be a denying hypocrite...Dr Evans is on YOUR side you fool....Funny how people react when they are loosing an argument...They openly admit to trying to degenerate a thread so as no one can debate it..Pretty much how the warmists have reacted from the start...Who can make it? You and 'passwind' haven't a chance... I watched a part of that video by the great, great (I repeat the great as the video flashed up his credentials twice, just to make sure I didn't miss it the first time) Dr Evans, who is most certainly NOT on my side (if I had a "side" to be on ity would still be the side of science, knowledge and facts whatever they say, as opposed to any other).I didn't get very far, because he went through all the denialist memes one by one, proving that climate change denialism has evolved over time, grudgingly acceding acknowledgement to each one, til he got to CO2 causes warming but then suggesting WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH.It was at this point I gave up, knowing that he had nothing up his sleeve, no smoking gun. Of course we are not dead certain by how much, the IPCC reports have said as much consistently from the start, it's the main point of contention.But simply not knowing by how much is really not enough. The fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and may cause significant warning is enough to start ringing alarm bells in itself; it's precisely this point that we should have thrown billions of dollars at finding out how much, and this point that we should seriously curtailed fossil fuel use until we found out more.In reality, not any where near enough has been done, but finally the wheels of public pressure are making things happen (contrary to your delusions, Dolos).But look, Dolos, if your current favourite scientist can annul 200 years of scientific knowledge by hundreds of different people in a mere 15 minutes, can you please explain how in a few short sentences? Because I really don't want to watch another denialist video burbling on about the same stuff that has been refuted time, after time, after time, because it really pisses me off and I don't want to waste another 15 minutes on something so utterly pointless and frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolos Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I watched a part of that video by the great, great (I repeat the great as the video flashed up his credentials twice, just to make sure I didn't miss it the first time) Dr Evans, who is most certainly NOT on my side (if I had a "side" to be on ity would still be the side of science, knowledge and facts whatever they say, as opposed to any other).I didn't get very far, because he went through all the denialist memes one by one, proving that climate change denialism has evolved over time, grudgingly acceding acknowledgement to each one, til he got to CO2 causes warming but then suggesting WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH.It was at this point I gave up, knowing that he had nothing up his sleeve, no smoking gun. Of course we are not dead certain by how much, the IPCC reports have said as much consistently from the start, it's the main point of contention.But simply not knowing by how much is really not enough. The fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and may cause significant warning is enough to start ringing alarm bells in itself; it's precisely this point that we should have thrown billions of dollars at finding out how much, and this point that we should seriously curtailed fossil fuel use until we found out more.In reality, not any where near enough has been done, but finally the wheels of public pressure are making things happen (contrary to your delusions, Dolos).But look, Dolos, if your current favourite scientist can annul 200 years of scientific knowledge by hundreds of different people in a mere 15 minutes, can you please explain how in a few short sentences? Because I really don't want to watch another denialist video burbling on about the same stuff that has been refuted time, after time, after time, because it really pisses me off and I don't want to waste another 15 minutes on something so utterly pointless and frustrating. I wont waste my time going over the rubbish you just wrote again. It is futile for me to attempt to correct the lies, distortions, exaggerations and miscomprehension that you both have shown you are full of. I have much better things to do with my time. It is impossible to have a genuine open debate with brain washed youth who are unwilling to respond rationally nor intelligently so I will no longer bother. I will still contribute to the thread as there is so much new damning information coming to attention daily. I will obviously be busy...Join in again when you grow up.Goodbye.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LokStok Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 (edited) "If your interested in a legit debate how about you grow up and pop back and re view Dr Evans video..."David Evans. Seriously?C'mon, this is the guy that used to publicly call himself a rocket scientist until it was found that he had never done been anything remotely close to that, other than have an electrical engineering degree.He's still going on about his theory of tainted ground temp measuring stations, even though that has been soundly scientifically shown to not stand up data-wise.By memory i think he has had one peer reviewed paper published, and that was way back in the late 80's.Respectable media/publications wont touch him, thats why he has to resort to self uploading this sort of crap. Oh, actually there is a website that champions him, but thats run by his partner.The above has already been covered in previous posts in this thread.Sheesh! Edited May 5, 2012 by LokStok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halcyon Daze Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Dr Evans is on YOUR side you fool....Funny how people react when they are loosing an argument...They openly admit to trying to degenerate a thread so as no one can debate it... You really are a climate troll Dolos, I don't know why you even come here. Only to shit on everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewind Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) Heartland Institute's latest advertising campaign. Wow, politics in America.http://www.guardian....rder?intcmp=122They seem to be getting quite desperate. From their own website:http://climateconference.heartland.org/our-billboards/1. Who appears on the billboards?The billboard series features Ted Kaczynski, the infamous Unabomber; Caharles Manson, a mass murderer; and Fidel Castro, a tyrant. Other global warming alarmists who may appear on future billboards include Osama bin Laden and James J. Lee (who took hostages inside the headquarters of the Discovery Channel in 2010). These rogues and villains were chosen because they made public statements about how man-made global warming is a crisis and how mankind must take immediate and drastic actions to stop it.2. Why did Heartland choose to feature these people on its billboards?Because what these murderers and madmen have said differs very little from what spokespersons for the United Nations, journalists for the “mainstream” media, and liberal politicians say about global warming. They are so similar, in fact, that a Web site has a quiz that asks if you can tell the difference between what Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, wrote in his “Manifesto” and what Al Gore wrote in his book, Earth in the Balance.The point is that believing in global warming is not “mainstream,” smart, or sophisticated. In fact, it is just the opposite of those things. Still believing in man-made global warming – after all the scientific discoveries and revelations that point against this theory – is more than a little nutty. In fact, some really crazy people use it to justify immoral and frightening behavior.Of course, not all global warming alarmists are murderers or tyrants. But the Climategate scandal and the more recent Fakegate scandal revealed that the leaders of the global warming movement are willing to break the law and the rules of ethics to shut down scientific debate and implement their left-wing agendas.Scientific, political, and public support for the theory of man-made global warming is collapsing. Most scientists and 60 percent of the general public (in the U.S.) do not believe man-made global warming is a problem. (Keep reading for proof of these statements.) The people who still believe in man-made global warming are mostly on the radical fringe of society. This is why the most prominent advocates of global warming aren’t scientists. They are murderers, tyrants, and madmen. Edited May 6, 2012 by whitewind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qualia Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 (edited) This document provides answers to the 101 questions on climate change posed by Professor Ian Plimer in his latest book, How to get expelled from school: a guide to climate change for pupils, parents and punters (2011). Many of the questions and answers in Professor Plimer’s book are misleading and are based on inaccurate or selective interpretation of the science. The answers and comments provided in this document are intended to provide clear and accurate answers to Professor Plimer’s questions. The answers are based on up-to-date peer reviewed science, and have been reviewed by a number of Australian climate scientists.http://www.climatech...esponse-pdf.pdf Edited May 9, 2012 by qualia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qualia Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 https://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i.imgur.com/Tjbdi.png&key=db394d3cfe5bbc7ee64a549eade1db1f35688e4748669f2f182c77dc9acabbdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolos Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) http://www.climatech...esponse-pdf.pdf Thanks very much qualia for bringing this to our attention...great example of a Government propaganda document That many holes in it... The Greens are fucked and they have taken the Labor party down the gurgler with them...and 'good fucking riddance' both parties are heading for the scrap heap of history...I read this morning that the Labor party are calling for Juliar to distance herself and her government from the Greens. They are finally realizing that the Greens are all fantasy and are the reason this government is at record lows in opinion polls. hahaha...suck it up! Bobby brown knew when to jump ship as all good rats do....now where is my C02 bottle...my plants need a feed... Edited May 12, 2012 by Dolos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halcyon Daze Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 5 minutes of Tony Abbott and people will wish they had Labor back again.Your co2 bottle will grow your weeds a lot faster than your other plants, but that would require an understanding of basic science, which you seem quite incapable of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewind Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 ^^ She also missed the bit about rising toxicity in some plants caused by increased CO2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolos Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodDragon Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Still going strong, I see.Whitewind has already noted the refutation of Ian Plimer's last effort to recover (by using their own tactics...) the $500k he lost fighting Creationists. Still, it's worth noting that there are other rebuttals of Plimer's nonsense.And on the Dave Evans video, well, he's as reliable as a two bob digital watch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolos Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Still going strong, I see.Whitewind has already noted the refutation of Ian Plimer's last effort to recover (by using their own tactics...) the $500k he lost fighting Creationists. Still, it's worth noting that there are other rebuttals of Plimer's nonsense.And on the Dave Evans video, well, he's as reliable as a two bob digital watch... Still going strong? I'll tell you what's going strong. Whats really going strong is the rejection by a nation of your alarmism. I read this morning that intelligent, high achieving people don’t believe in climate apocalypse any more. Apparently the boy has cried wolf too often... Who'd of thunk it? Your great cause and moral crusade...down the bloody gurglur and still the best you can do is attack attack attack...Lets take the David Evans video for example. Has anyone here been able to dispute his facts in comparison to the IPCC predictions? Nope! Cause they are indisputable real world measurements. Clearly the models are wrong. Your character assassination's are just so predictable. No one reads them any more. Nope, that's not quit right either...There are plenty of kiddies here that are still brainwashed but there numbers are falling. Attack Attack Attack just doesn't do it any more. When you can’t answer your critics, demonise them...Climate alarmisim 101... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitewind Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 A fine example of Denier logic there Dolos. Decades of careful research in to climate science = clearly lies.One newspaper article claiming that more and more people reject the science = clearly the science is lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolos Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 A fine example of Denier logic there Dolos. Decades of careful research in to climate science = clearly lies.One newspaper article claiming that more and more people reject the science = clearly the science is lies. As I have said before...you have shown that it is YOU who is the denier here....you just keep on avoiding the 'clear science' in the David Evans video for example. How can anyone defend models (best guesses) against actual real life observations and measurements when the models are shown time and time again to be wrong and not just by fractions. Of course people will reject the science when the science is so clearly wrong. It is as you say "clearly the science of lies" You are another who demonises critics as a means of silencing debate. Your smug attitude to this is quit sickening. You throw smart arse comments around and giggle with you little mate like children. There is no longer anything to be smug about. This thread was started on the 4th of January 2011. Take a look at where world consensus is today to where it was back then...not much over 12 months and it has collapsed. Why? I've tried to explain to you why but you continue to deny the obvious. Do you deny that more people now reject apocalyptic climate change as a nonsense and alarmist? Nothing can be done or said to change your mind. The education system has closed and brainwashed another young mind. Thank goodness the rest of us are not that slow to realize what is going on. Now off to school with you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halcyon Daze Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 You're a textbook case of a 'lost cause' Dolos.A fine example of denialism crashing back down to earth in all it's glory.Going down with the ship.Good luck mate, this one's for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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