Foo Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) Tried out some BAP today. This post is mostly to remind myself to post an update sometime in the future Edited August 29, 2013 by eatfoo 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkheadrev Posted August 24, 2013 I baped a big PC pach a few weeks ago and it is just now starting to pup . I did it pretty high up the cactus so it has the "branching" look instead of growing pups from the base . I shall call it a San guaro. I will post pics eventually if it is a success 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted August 25, 2013 did you get variegated pups? Sorry, I must have missed your question Moses. BAP has given me variegated pups of peruvianus & tbms, I havent BAP'd a variegated pedro yet mama variegated peruvianus on the right one of two pups another one that got grafted various variegated tbms in no particular order (i started with one un rooted pickle the size of my thumb, which I first rooted then BAP'd) one of two grafted offsets second grafted plant, this one is planted in the garden now These next two plants initially started off as pups from the main mama variegated tbm that were insufficiently variegated to suit me. They were removed & then rooted. then allowed to grow.... aerole BAP'd I guess my results of BAPing and increasing propagation rates are still inconclusive.....ymmv 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bogfrog Posted August 25, 2013 Thanks for the eyecandy Zelly, i love it when you post pics 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamwalker. Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) So it comes in various gram lots, the more you buy the cheaper it gets............ How many pups would 1 gram give me? I assume it last forever in a cool dark place? Edited June 26, 2014 by Dreamwalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djmattz0r Posted June 26, 2014 a gram would be a whole lot, I have a tiny little tin of the stuff mixed in lanolin and use the smallest amount possible when using it. I find that using too much is detrimental and slows plants down 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamwalker. Posted June 28, 2014 a gram would be a whole lot, I have a tiny little tin of the stuff mixed in lanolin and use the smallest amount possible when using it. I find that using too much is detrimental and slows plants down thanks would you or anyone know why lanolin is used? other than making it sticky.....seems to be a lot contradictory info about, some say butter is fine, or marg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
someone Posted June 28, 2014 Lanolin is only used to make the bap stick to the areoles. I guess butter or any other sticky like substance could be used in place of lanolin. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zed240 Posted June 28, 2014 I was wondering whether something like Lucas' pawpaw ointment, (its sort of like vaseline but it's fermented carica papaya not petroleum based), could be used for BAP application? I also had thoughts about using it around graft contact areas to lessen moisture loss when the graft is freshly done. Since it's fruit based I thought it might do a decent job.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
someone Posted June 28, 2014 I have only used lanolin so I really can not comment on other bases. But I would test any substance on a spare cactus first to make sure it will not damage the skin or cause any rot issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pinegapcontrol Posted April 21, 2015 farken nice pics zelly! Im unclear though... did the bap create the variegation, or did the bap just allow better propagation of an already variegated plant? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted April 21, 2015 the BAP did not create the variegation, it just forces variegated areoles where it's applied to grow a pup. applied to an all green areole will produce an all green pup i think the thing with lanolin is it has a much better 'staying' power than some of the others mentioned. depending on many factors, the process can take up top a year for force a pup, and you really only want to apply it to 1-2 areoles at a time. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pinegapcontrol Posted April 28, 2015 is this the right stuff? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mystical oyster Posted April 30, 2015 has anyone noticed deformities with bap? i haven't successfully use it before but a friend rubbed some onto some trichs and all the pups grew monstrose, only got a cm or 2 big then stopped growing... I'm wondering if cutting the deformed pups off and grafting them would keep them monstrose or probably just revert or throw a normal pup I'm guessing.. might get some bap out today and have a go at it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theuserformallyknownasd00d Posted April 30, 2015 Does bap go off? I've had some for years and finally ready to use it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted April 30, 2015 has anyone noticed deformities with bap? yes Does bap go off? In the powder form it should last indefinitely if stored in a dry, moderate temperature location 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brendo Posted May 1, 2015 has anyone noticed deformities with bap? i haven't successfully use it before but a friend rubbed some onto some trichs and all the pups grew monstrose, only got a cm or 2 big then stopped growing... I'm wondering if cutting the deformed pups off and grafting them would keep them monstrose or probably just revert or throw a normal pup I'm guessing.. might get some bap out today and have a go at it...did he BAP multiple aeroles on the one plant causing it to stall? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mystical oyster Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) no, just 1 or 2, the main plant is still growing but the pups eventually just stalled... some pretty freaky looking ones, which is why i want to graft them. ill try get some photos next time I'm there. Edited May 1, 2015 by mystical oyster Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ohcactusisgood Posted August 14, 2015 I tried BAP a while ago and I got zero results except for one pup that started emerging but completely stalled. It's still there. But since you guys say it works I am trying with a bit more BAP mixed in . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted October 19, 2017 dang how did I forget this thread 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gimli Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) Tried BAP recently (approx 10 weeks ago, maybe more ,I'd have to check) in a 1% w/w mixture and hit a few columns: Scop x Super Pedro = success, pup grew normal Pachanoi #1 = partial success, turned out wax-like, grew to an inch or so long, terminated and then starting growing a normal pup from the top most areole Pachanoi #2 = partial success, pretty much as above Bridgesii = failure, both areoles While chatting to another SAB member, I did some googling regarding its use on Lophophora and a certain site has a few posts with one stating 10% w/w mix. This seems incredibly over the top, does it not? There are a few posts of people "spraying" it but no mention of what they mix it with. Any recommendations? Edit: what can be used besides lanolin? I know someone using rice bran oil in a 50:50 mix. Also seems extreme but he's having good results. What about butter/margarine? Edited March 10, 2018 by Gimli 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Solipsis Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) I have just made some 2% BAP gel/cream by using vaseline. From what I read, all fats including the butter suggested (and I don't see why not the lanolin) can block stomata and transpiration, which can cause a shift in the water relations in the plant but is not by definition detrimental. Besides, I only plan to apply a very small area anyway, right next to or on an areole most likely. I can only conclude that it is supposed to be an extended release drug patch kind of situation that is meant to last for weeks or months. Therefore a spray does not seem practical because the point would be to subtly but effectively change the local hormonal concentrations that would promote pupping. It also seems to me like you cannot fairly compare typical 6-BAP concentrations for foliar sprays with such an extended duration formula. I was considering making some kind of emulsion, to help not only get the hormones through the waxy cuticle / fatty tissue layers, but also efficiently into the aqueous tissues. I did add a drop of tween 80 for this reason and a drop of water, but I don't think like a 50/50 mix here of water/fat would be appropriate. Not only because it would become runny, but also because it would probably absorb too well and too fast, effectively overdosing the plant. I would like to test with and without the surfactant. Another thing I was thinking about is whether adding a bit of GA3 could also help here, to also promote the transition to shoot production? And finally, I heard about someone being enthousiastic about a combination of silver and olivetol, which is something I am interested in trying. Not sure how fast that worked. When I researched this a while ago I thought you might need to reapply after a few weeks, but I am not sure that you really need to wait 6 months. When dosed too high it might inhibit growth or at least locally have such effects, until the concentrations gradually drop again... so with all due respect to Zelly, but I am just wondering whether it is possible that the higher concentration while effective, leads to an unnecessary delay? (Just to add: if you played around with different concentrations and just found that to be the most effective with no difference in timeframe, that would be great to hear. And also: various conditions may come into play like whether a sun is shining on it, melting the substance more quickly, or a dog nibbled on the butter gel and spontaneously gave birth) Edited July 13, 2019 by Solipsis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites