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so lance IS super pedro? im confused

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so lance IS super pedro? im confused

 

this is only some peeps opinion.others disagree....

t s t .

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this is only some peeps opinion.others disagree....

t s t .

 

Well, doesn't someone have both of the plants growing in their garden under the same conditions? Shouldn't be hard at all to tell if they are at least the same clone.

~Michael~

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I remember Torsten said in another thread cordobensis sold by SAB is Lance.

common names can be fun and interesting and also the source of confusion.

I like the name 'Lance' more, as it has a story behind, and I actually find the name super pedro somewhat .... ehmmm... childish...

comparing ozzie cordo/lance to US material would be interesting though..

Michael, is that clone consistent with the 4 ribs?

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afaik it's the name given by an old school cactus farmer where the clone comes from, nothing childish about it, it delineates it from the other pedro's he has, which are no where near as ridiculously huge as super pedro. What do you want to rename it to then mutant?

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you're right

calling it childish was kind of... childish on my part. :blush:

it's just a name

I guess that super reminds me of super man and super heros, lol, which I don't fancy a lot.

I call my own 'cordebensis/lance' as I got it from sab under this name, and don't really know if it's the same as 'super pedro' I only got it a couple of months and it shows some serious fatty tendencies and also pupped. It was also one of the biggest cuts I received, hence the rich growth...

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yeah can understand that mutant :) it really frustrated me, as you said, i interpreted it similar as to your second response re: childish comment, but your opinion is still very valid!

even if they do turn out to be the same clone, imo it's important to try and stick to the lineage name as it can allow trackable stock in the longterm for whatever reason, sure it can get ridiculous if everyone keeps naming it different, but both names from different sources seem to have a fairly long history.

here ya go YT, sorry for double ups, pretty dodgy with a camera, just take lots and sift through the good ones. excus the grainy nature, particularly if you englarge the image, keeping the files small.

The mature spines are really hard and thick, and really hurt.

Victorian, Super Pedro spination, cuttings sourced through PD.

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and i wish i could have gotten better detail on the spider, will try again another day, it turned up after some snail/slug damage on the tip, if not in the tip he sits on the scarring, amazing nature, he is a long time resident, sits there during the day, and hunts a web strung between 2 super pedro, i really like him.

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sorry for double ups, pretty dodgy with a camera, just take lots and sift through the good ones.

 

heheh thats exactly what i do :lol:

thanks for the pics! should be able to make a better comparison now

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imho cordobensis and super ped at not the same and in my garden are very distinct plants as are a number of large girthed plants that could be grouped together due to this characteristic (being massively fat and relatively short spined).

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Thanks for sharing photos, very good shots of ID purposes, gerbil. Will go again and see my scop related plants [yeah I see them all scop wise, dunno if it's completely right though..]

Hey micro megas, this would be an interesting photo session if you could do it.

Fatty trichos with relatively short spines.

Is there anyone who thinks [sab sourced] ozzie clone "Rob" {T.pachanoi} is a bit similar to lance / to a scop/pach hybrid? Spines are bigger/ longer though...

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here are a couple shots of spines close up, ill search thru my pics later and try find some more. As always with trichos there is lots variation within the clone imo.

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some more.....

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as always, heavier spination with greater sun exposure and age.

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i must say my "super pedro" looks like a run-of-the-mill pedro. i shall be posting pics of my garden very soon.

always scared me this whole 'super-pedro' tag.

i understand it identifys a clone, but i think buyers should be wary of sellers, asides from trusted cactophiles like PD etc.

A dishonest trader could easily pawn regular pedro as SP. then theres a whole mix up in the genetics, which would be hard to pinpoint.

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Some super pedro i have sourced looked very much like regular pedro due to the fact it was growing in alot of shade behind a shed, the rough, thick skin is usually a give away though. Can i see your pedro Mr incognito? :)

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Wow, the super pedro certainly looks a lot like the T. cordobensis I got from NMCR. Have a look at a few more shots of T. cordobensis for shits and giggles.

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~Michael~

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So similar it isnt funny, I have never though seen super pedro throw a 4 ribbed column, lotsa 5 ribs so i guess a 4 rib would pop up very occasionally like other trichos.

Thanks michael.

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I purchased a mid cut of Lance which had four ribs :unsure:

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ok, can i see some pics of lance then lol.

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some pics. in order = scop X bridge, scop (bunnings), cordobensis, "goliath" (sa clone?), PC pedro, "super ped", T. peruvianus var rosei (as labelled by owner), unnamed clone.

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ya cordo looks exactly like super ped micro. Id venture to say that the unammed shovel cutting be super ped also, hard to be def from pics but yeh, ya cordo is super pedro.

Most trichos once in ground get to alot bigger proportions than most accustomed too.

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great photos everyone!!

nice to see a bigger scop x bridge, amongst all the other awesome pics :worship:

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PD, I'm with you, super ped and cordobensis certainly look to be the same. Is Lance the same plant to? Can someone throw up some pictures?

And thanks for the shots micromegas, especially the T. scopulicola x T. bridgesii. Herbalistics.com.au put a picture up years ago of the same hybrid and I couldn't help but notice the similarity to the "PC/pachanot" plant. Your shot certainly helps lend support to my thinking that the PC/pachanot is more closely related to the plants of Bolivia (T. bridgesii, riomizquensis, scopulicola) than to those of Peru (T. pachanoi, peruvianus, pallarensis, santaensis).

I wonder if I am ever going to get to a location I can plant in the ground...I can dream.

~Michael~

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part of the Lance mid cut i got which shows the four ribs become five....

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the pup which i removed , not sure if this helps at all

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Yeah, Lance totally looks like the same plant. Thanks!

So T. cordobensis = Super Pedro = Lance = the longer spined form of T. scopulicola.

~Michael~

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Micromegas your shots inspired my to take some shot of mine today too.

thanks a lot mate!

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first four:

====OMAR ====== ALF ====== PACHNOI "2" ========= PC

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second four:

=====KK339 ===== PACHANOI "ROB" ===== SCOP ===== LANCE/CORDO

all of them except the PC and KK339 were sourced by SAB

Hey don't you think "Rob" looks like he's got scop genes in him or what?

These kind of photo sessions are great and present new opportunities for all kinds of wacky experiments to take place like

THE LICK/BITTERNESS TEST

PS: most of them are in full sun and are really warmed, hence the wrinkles... Very hot days.

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