DusTa Posted July 27, 2010 is black wattle bark worth doing a pull from, ive been told different answers to this and im quite confused - Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dr dognutz Posted July 27, 2010 It would be good if there was anything worth pulling from Black wattle as its thick around here, the council is always cutting it up... From the info i've got its not worth trying mate. BUT.. I could be wrong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paradox Posted July 27, 2010 there are about 6 totally different Acacia species (& one or two that aren't even acacia) which are called "black wattle" so it's impossible to know what you're talking about. some of those species could have interesting potential apparently. do you mean A. decurrens? if so i wouldn't bother one bit but don't take my word for it as i have no experience with it. just be careful, some of the alkaloids that might be present in these plant could be illegal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ENtiTY Posted July 27, 2010 A. concurrens or late flowering black wattle is worth investigating from what I understand. Hard to id though as its practically identical to A. leiocalyx or early flowering black wattle. From the research I did a while back the easiest to way to differentiate is the differing flowering period between the 2. To complicate matters more the 2 species are thought to crossbreed. This info is from vague memory so do your own research. Its a place to start though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mescalito Posted July 27, 2010 I recently found out that the street name here for one of the wattle alkaloids is "Black Wattle" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Deb-One-Amine Posted July 30, 2010 would someone be able to post pics of these species that are similar to the black wattle and also a pic of black wattle bark and leave structure. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paradox Posted July 31, 2010 would someone be able to post pics of these species that are similar to the black wattle and also a pic of black wattle bark and leave structure. haha this is the point man, 'black wattle' is a name used for many different plants & they all look totally different afaik so no-one really knows what the hell anyone's talking about... so which one of the multitude of different 'black wattles' do you want to know if 'black wattle' looks like lol & how on earth is anyone to know what plant you wabt to see the bark & leaf structure of? is it just me or is this a ridiculous conversation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
volcanicplug Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) look up ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wattle... if you type in the names of any of the species listed on this page on google images you should be able to see pictures of each... i have always been able to distinguish leiocalyx from concurrens when they are not in flower by their leaf colour... A. concurrens has a distinctive rusty grey sheen to its leaves while A. leiocalyx leaves are a clean glossy green with red tips... hope this helps Edited July 31, 2010 by volcanicplug Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ENtiTY Posted July 31, 2010 Cheers for the id tip VP Crap load of leiocalyx around my neck of the woods and I'm chucking some concurrens seed down soon so I'll be able to put your method to the test one day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zen Peddler Posted August 10, 2010 Half my block is black wattle - annoying because it always falls over in the moist forest... makes a nice beer from its seed though.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fydesvindico Posted November 2, 2010 (edited) . Edited November 13, 2010 by fydesvindico Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
santiago Posted November 2, 2010 im actually more interested in the potential of the grey wattle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted November 2, 2010 SWIM's FOAF recently tested Acacia Concurrens Bark (late flowering Black Wattle) finding it was defiantly active, yielding mostly DMT N-Oxide. SWIM's FOAF is no chemist but advises this tree is defiantly worth looking into. how do you know it was n oxide? t s t . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyAmine. Posted November 2, 2010 Just a thought but some of the local chatter about 'black wattle' may come form the fact that a shop used to sell an extract labled as 'black wattle' extract, I think it said it was a.Melanoxyln specificly. I always assumed this was a red herring? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fydesvindico Posted November 3, 2010 (edited) . Edited November 13, 2010 by fydesvindico Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyAmine. Posted November 3, 2010 (edited) fydesvindico please have a little discretion Also, I would suggest that your assumptions are a little off track. Edited November 3, 2010 by AndyAmine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fydesvindico Posted November 3, 2010 (edited) . Edited November 13, 2010 by fydesvindico Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quelho Posted November 4, 2010 Colloquial names are such a cause of confusion. That 'black wattle extract' some shops used to sell I seem to remember as another 'spice enriched' concoction. I've heard A. mearnsi referenced to as black wattle before, and same with Callicoma serratifolia.... Callicoma has always intrigued me, and I've never found a decent analysis on it's chemistry. Yes it's everywhere but it has this really interesting look about it, like it is advertising something... similar to the way A. obtusifolia advertises itself by looking psychadelic... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gunter Posted November 12, 2010 i'd like to point out that in a population such as those of acacia, that genetic variation is well known and that specimens vary to such a degree that generalizations fail one might find an exceptional specimen which defies the norm in many cases, few alkaloid studies are detailed enough to provide any conclusive data Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bio Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) this is probably resurrecting a really old thread, but any black wattle search in google eventually turns up this thread.soooo.... given this thread was started in 2010 ... and it's 2015 now?so we know which wattle that "black wattle" changa was made from??conurrens, decurrens, melanoxylon or meansrii, or other? im sure the internet would love to put this one to rest. thankyou folks! Edited December 17, 2015 by bio 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sallubrious Posted December 1, 2015 Paradox outlined how enigmatic the black wattle name is. It depends what part of the country you come from and local traditions. I don't think you're going to get any clarification on this topic. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theuserformallyknownasd00d Posted December 1, 2015 http://herbalistics.com.au/product/acacia-concurrens-black-wattle-seed/ "concurrens belongs to a section of the Acacia genus which has members well known for their chemistry, including A. obtusifolia, A. phlebophylla and A. maidenii. M. Bock lists this species as giving a +++ alkaloid test from bark." 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charliewired Posted January 15, 2016 In these acacia species.. can anyone tell me whether these are 5Meo or nnDMT profiles? You Aussies are lucky in terms of climate and habitat for these types of plants.. In Canada where I live the only ample source of DMT in indigenous flora Im aware of is Reed Canary Grass.. (and its 5Meo which isn't my preference) while people @ DMT Nexus and elsewhere.. have been trying to solve the dilemma of separating harmful alkaloids or alkaloids in this RCG plant with unpleasant effects.. (dark colours) I was hopeful about their efforts at first… now I hold little hope they will come to a fruitful solution or tek thats applicable for the average person.. Cheers buds.. cw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strontium Dawg Posted January 15, 2016 Hi Charlie, there are very few acacias that have been proven to contain any significant amounts of 5meo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites