Cactus pics

[Hellonasty]

They look a lot like the seedlings I have that were labeled T.Peruvianus Icaro ? I posted a pic in another thread.

Here it is>

[PhoenixSon]

but the variation in the seeds says not icaros, icaros seem pretty uniform no?

[kakti]

Pretty strange that the cactus in picture 5 of post 12 has wavy ribs whereas none of the other pictures seem to. Most would immediately consider it a "T. Cuzcoensis" and the rest "T. Peruvianus". Thank you for posting all of these, you have some beautiful plants!

[gerbil]

Yeah i've not grown out icaros peruvianus seed, but have 2 sorta advanced seedlings and although similar to the pachanoi batch, are quite uniform within their 2 and still different from the larger seed batch. I have had that feeling though, that icaros peruvianus seems quite uniform from what i've seen.

I'm a bit baffled as to what peruvianus seed is, or any of the others for that matter, I assume icaros peruvianus stock is an area of very isolated land race plants? And the seed released is just a representation and restricted expression of that landrace genepool. Any other nearby 'species' in the complex that will breed with each other would create an f1 hybrid, which you'd imagine would have to be introduced or have a freak once off pollination or something, else they'd have never been able to become their 'species' landrace in the first place. And after that occurs is a big snowball as a hybrid seed batch is now present in an apparently landrace population, then essentially you'd think the pure landrace genetics only have as long in existence as the plants that were originally present before a hybrid seed batch came in until the pure plants die with age.

You'd imagine pure stands are coming ever increasing harder to find, and then stay pure, probably starts getting down to going to very very isolated spots to find a Ha population or similar, potentially playing with ecosystem and altitude to find those specialised pure genetics for the given area, like finding unique pure cannabis stands in one specific gully in a huge mountain range, but where you get people the genetics get skewed pretty quickly and lost forever if not handled appropriately and species just become a varied and diverse yet erractic expression of the past

I'm guessing any hybrid seed batch is either through human interference either direct pollination, introducing foreign plants into an area (which seems to have happened a lot)

or by restricted land race populations finally meeting up somehow either within wind or animal range and breeding.

It's hard to put definite observations on them like the cuzcoensis looking one, as often it's just a stage they are going through, but yeah at this point that one is being unique in that sense.

Will try get the peruvianus seed batch up, and compare to some macro today. This is all very confusing It's all very fascinating.

Edited May 8, 2010 by gerbil

[C_T]

i even see a bit of macrogomas in some of those...

my pach's now only get a few hours of sun (compared to where they were raised) and the new growth is very noticably blue compared to the green of highter sun concentrations.

[Mr. Kush]

very nice cact!

much resoect to you for raising from seed.

[Pacha]

They are amazingly attractive trichs whether hybridized or not, good job mate!

[gerbil]

Nothing overly interesting, just gettin shirty with lack of warmth and growth, they are starting to break dormancy, argh come on growth season!

here is one specimen, it's the skinniest of the lot i think. G7

G7



and another, this is that wavy rib one kakti mentioned, liking the sunburnt spines it produces.

Edited July 14, 2015 by gerbil

[gerbil]

This is a bridgesii bought from cactusland years ago, it was a very yellow cutting, with heavy edges, looks a bit different from others i've got, and it doesn't seem to have a great deal of rigidity in the main stem, but that could be very well from it's growing location. will update better spination and growth tips in growth season.

[-YT-]

awesome gerbil

Loving the variation they have shown, still interested if T can remember the original source.

[mutant]

Always a great sight . Keep them coming bro

[Ashoka]

Wow!

[gerbil]

glad they are appreciated,

really needed something to brighten my morning today, so took heaps, most turned out real blurry but a few made it okay

I have taken pictures of the hard grown stunted 'peruvianus' seedlings a few months back, but just not happy with them and hard to get representation, think i'll get them up when they are potted up when the weather comes good, very wet at the moment, but not far off.

Old Teds macrogonus (?), very interesting watching the seed 'pachs' grow along side this cut, you can see so many characteristics in each other.

The favourite is starting to show traits similar to the other ones in my eyes, haven't really seen that until i had a good look today, maturity is starting, but still different.

The later ground planting, can't wait for it's spination to start up from the planting damage, dormancy breaking.

Edited August 21, 2010 by gerbil

[faslimy]

lovely plants gerbil, you captured them so beautifully that my brain turned to mush.

[bℓσωηG]

seed source?

[gerbil]

Came across a nice folder of pics during july 2009 after some cold winter mornings.

this is old teds macro again, july 09.

The pachanoi seeds were a SAB source blowng...am still trying to find the invoice to email T, found some, but memory is starting to recall i culled a lot of them, some just got filed away, but think i've chucked the 02-03 ones.

[bℓσωηG]

I just adore the bluing of these cacti, its exciting to watch a seedling slowly mature, gradually increasing its glaucusness...

[solomon]

@gerbil.

so these are 7 year old cacti in the first photos?

does the photo capture the full size of them? how tall are they?

sorry for all the questions, just wanted to get a very rough estimate of what i could expect 2017 if i germinated some seed soon.

very beautiful specimens with nice bluing. thanks for sharing your pictures

[gerbil]

Nah no worries with questions, happy to answer, don't expect sizes by times, it's all too variable, these should be much larger than they are, they were hard grown for many years, and even when they started to get good treatment and take off, they still were (and are majorly) potted, ground plantings just go off the charts due to better nutrient spectrum, biological associations and better root space. Tomorrow i'll try show you a comparison with the similar time peruvianus seed sowing and these 'pachanoi', the peruvianus are still in their small squat pots which were a small step up from their original even smaller squat pot. Will confirm dates too.

If you sow now and treat them well you should have very decent sized plants by 2017.

Edited August 25, 2010 by gerbil

[gerbil]

well didn't do the photo but the pachs are within 69-90cm range, nice and fat besides skinny which i'm guessing is mainly genetic, whilst the still hard grown perus are 18-30cm still stout seedling skinny.

[Jamison Schuetz]

excellent cactus!

JLS

[gerbil]

update of one, also got my first obtusifolia flowers too this year, on two plants, one just started setting a good handfull of pods at the moment :D

G6 (i think?)




pic reduction came out real grainy, lots more flowers on that small plant.

Edited July 14, 2015 by gerbil

[mutant]

Good news all roung. Congrats on the flowering obtusi. I hope I can get some to maturity some time.

The glaucusness of your peruvs is something else. How many hours of shade are they getting?

In the begining I thought all glaucus cacti become the most glaucus in full sun, the most you can give them, but I noticed people saying the opposite for Trichos ie that they become their greener in much direct and their more glaucus in more shady spots. For what is worth, that seems to be the deal IME, even though some like peruv icaro is in FULL sun and still retains strong glaucousness.

What do you think??

[gerbil]

hey muty, their exposure changes a bit season to season and during, they stay in the same spot but have a few large trees around as well as some shrubs that get cut back heavy and then grow really strong and create more shelter over time till cut again.

Off the top of my head it's a bit like shaded in the morning, then an hour or so of nice soft bright light from the East / North east (which you can see the transition in the "this is old teds macro again, july 09." photo in the posts below), which then goes back to shade as the sun rounds the big acacia, then slowly one end of the pots starts getting full late morning midday sun which progresses over the patch until it's all in good midday and afternoon sun, then the first pots start to get slightly shaded whilst the rest gets the good full late afternoon sun and warmth.

So it's a bit of both, gentle to harsh, sheltered to exposed, they get cool shaded mornings with some bright hours, then strong sun until somewhat shaded again. In the afternoons during summer it's not uncommon to see the sunburnt yellow rot look / yellow puckered ribs / tips which looks quite damaged, then they repair overnight and look fine again.

The glaucous afaik works on either spectrum, in cold humidity it protects from fungal attack whilst still collecting / channeling water, and in the fierce summer sun protection from UV, moisture loss etc. I do water them all over but try to minimise physical handling, but once the coat is fairly well established a bit of handling doesn't seem to rub it off too much.

yah i'm quite excited about the obtusi, been a real good year for growth and flower down hear with the tropical sorta systems we've had as a change, you can see they really want that more northern eastern coast temp than melbournes dry heat. I've had many in ground plants that have been sitting small and somewhat dormant for years and now they are just booming, and spitting flowers on those 2 mentioned.

[gerbil]

Rot.

Lost two very large balls of ceaspitosa grafts on pachanoi stocks, around 10-15cm pachanoi stock completely rotten into soil level, and rot running internally through the scions, large orange rot infestation by the looks of it on both. Trying to salvage the large heads, but not much to work with.

Found the shorter spine bridge bent over again not long ago from high winds, rebent it up without snapping, but due to soil moisture / weather during the time, internal tissue damage led to black rot setting in over the next few weeks.

Removed a meter or so of tip in case i lost the plant and to reduce top weight, but it seems the rot is slowing up at the moment and hopefully will fully recover.