chilli Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Thanks guys... the most miserable part is that as the anxiety begins to fade, the depression really sets in. I'm not sure what's actually worse, they both seem like the least tolerable at the time! TI, didn't know you had quit.. so what was yo8ur experience coming off like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyAmine. Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) OK then, there are no confirmed deaths from uncomplicated, unprecipitated opiate withdrawls (ie without the addition of pre-existing health conditions or other drugs or withdrawl agents etc) with some opiOIDS being the exception the the rule at high doses.ROD or UROD is a whole other kettle of fish and can not be compared to a standard withdrawl. However as a rule of thumb, when it comes to your everyday opiates/oids such as heroin, oxys, standard stabalised doses of methadone etc it will not kill you no matter how much it may feel otherwise. Edited January 23, 2011 by AndyAmine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 pot is a band-aid solution for ur issues it seems.treat those and perhaps the need to self-medicate will be lessened to a degree, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderIdeal Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 i'm sure i've talked about myself in this thread enough already, but to answer your question giving up pot for me has always been easy. it's using in moderation which i find literally impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 This is more an update for my future self than anything else.. Similarly to last time, just over three weeks and the nausea seems to have almost entirely gone. I seem to recall at least another three weeks before feeling 'normal'. Still feeling anxious and depressed to some degree, but overall coping so much better, have been forcing myself to go out and do 'normal' things, exercise, goto the shops, etc.. in an effort to slowly retrain my amygdala to calm the fuck down. The big fight now will be with doing things to overcome the depression. Hard, because family and life circumstances are still hugely stressful, but I am avoiding the people who make me feel shit, or just taking them in small doses... sad, but its the way it has to be. and I am finding that the hole left by the pot and toxic people is hard to fill, especially in this state, but I am slowly making some changes that will hopefully pay off in the long run.Thanks again to everyone that has contributed to this thread, I hope to become a more participative member of SAB again soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchromesh Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 The best addiction/depression treater I can think of is new experiences/highs. Tell me, IB, when was the last time you had a fruit salad on a hot air balloon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 The best addiction/depression treater I can think of is new experiences/highs. Tell me, IB, when was the last time you had a fruit salad on a hot air balloon? Mate, for me right now just eating the fruit salad is a challenge ;) Actually, the only time I went on a hot air balloon was when I was 10, and I freaked out.. but I was just talking about hot air balloons yesterday, about a movie where a guy fell off one and got smashed. Seriously, I need tp work my way up to that kind of stuff... synch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Peddler Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 The person I know who experiences bad withdrawals has done much better once they had their underlying anxiety condition treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slybacon Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Without reading this thread..... And at risk of being called a kunt.....I recommend this for MJ withdrawal....One teaspoon of concrete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicdirt Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 From a TCM viewpoint you could be diagnosed with an imbalance of chi - too much yin and possibly stagnant and/or deficient chi.A Chinese doctor would not see it as a purely mental problem and take steps to balance your system so it could heal itself.Many people won't have anything to do with TCM as it all seems like hocus pocus, but I've seen some amazing results from TCMMaybe check out Baoding balls, they are a great treatment for depressive states and help get you back to a state of balance/harmony.Baoding ballsEgay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Peddler Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Dang shen, ginseng and goji are all good for generally calming but energising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchromesh Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Mate, for me right now just eating the fruit salad is a challenge ;) Actually, the only time I went on a hot air balloon was when I was 10, and I freaked out.. but I was just talking about hot air balloons yesterday, about a movie where a guy fell off one and got smashed. Seriously, I need tp work my way up to that kind of stuff... synch Oh well, that was only one idea. (one I haven't tried by the way) There are a tonne more. When was the last time you went down the beach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyPants Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Without reading this thread..... And at risk of being called a kunt.....I recommend this for MJ withdrawal....One teaspoon of concrete. I'm not going to call you a kunt, but I do wonder why you'd want to answer in such a way without even having read the thread first? Unless you happen to think addiction/withdrawal/brain chemistry/metabolism/etc is a black-and-white subject?(Unless you were going for amusing ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slybacon Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 It's not that I think it is black and white, but i do think that you have a level of control over your brain chemistry. Why not just taking some responsibility for your own mind and realise that you can choose to stop smoking. Its like waking up in the morning and going to sleep at night. Most people who are addicted to MJ also have trouble getting up in the morning, and also have trouble going to sleep at night. Hit snooze on the alarm clock, or curse when your guts wake you up at 6 and you don't work until 9. Hey here is a thought, just get up at 6, maybe then you won't have any trouble going to sleep. Maybe instead of waiting for advise from a forum to tell you how to quit you just go out and do something with your day. Take on a new hobby and per sue it with the same passion you put towards MJ. There is FAR FAR FAR worse situations to be in then giving up MJ.....Not directed at anyone, just a general rant to all those battling with MJ addiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 One year and counting! How you been doing Thunder? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderIdeal Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 fine mate, i never give bongs a second thought. it's having that random single toke that will turn you back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunChaser Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Without reading this thread..... And at risk of being called a kunt.....I recommend this for MJ withdrawal....One teaspoon of concrete. Your so right slybacon.Chilli, do you think the reason you couldn't handle a fruit salad might have something to do with the fact that you have convinced yourself you can't? Coming from someone who's been a major bong head since he was 12 years old, I can tell you that when I used to quit, I would just sit around feeling sorry for myself and then convince myself I couldn't eat and would get extreme nausea. But now I just refuse to believe it and force myself to eat 3 square meals a day. Which this time around resulted in a extremely mild case of nausea for less than 3 days, just like I've been refusing to believe that I won't sleep, which has been quite successful.A few weeks in and even my anxiety is mild. lol, not getting the out of control shaking hands or the dripping sweats like I used to when I quit and had the negative frame of mind.The only thing I'm battling with now, is that savage black dog snapping at my heels and the crazy vivid dreams. lol, last night I had a giant black snake chasing me, my ex girlfriend and her new bloke took a 8 grand loan out in my name then came to brag about how easy fucking me over was and I also discovered and got a photo of a Tasmanian tiger on my grandparents property, only to have my grand parents steal the photo from me then claim the credit. I'm sure there was much more, but that's all I remember. I think the dreams are probably fairly easy to get over, if you just except it's meaningless BS, lol.Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 No I don;t think i convince myself I can't eat.. why would I do that? I really want to eat! I actually generally have a really positive frame of mind about it, and do all I can to beat the nausea etc.. remaining active, going out, getting counselling, exercising and yes forcing myself to eat even when I feel really sick. Despite this, the nausea and other symptoms get really bad for a few weeks after quitting and then gradually go away.. so it seem to me definitely physiological, and it passes away after a few weeks and doesn't come back unless I stop heavy usage of pot. Having said that, panic and anxiety can create a vicious cycle and the physiological effects of wthdrawal seem to set off a long period of anxiety and panic attacks, which i think are mainly psychological.This is how panic works.. once you have an attack, it stamps itself deep in your mind and can be set off when similar circumstances arise.. eg I had some panic attacks when driving around on really hot days, so sometimes even now I can be prone to panic and anxiety in similar conditions, although it seems to have been much less of an issue this year comapre dto last summer. Again, I do all I can to overcome these things and in no way want it.. I hate having panic attacks!Actually I have had some really meaningful, powerful dreams when coming off pot, that have greatly influenced the direction of my life and thinking.. last time though it was juist weird feverish stuff.. like I am the rock, striking muslce poses, flying through the air with american flags everywhere and feeding off a giant breast that was smeared with quik.. but I think it may have been affected by the olanzapine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Peddler Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Whether this is helpful or not,I know someone that was totally reliant on marijuana for years - from the age of maybe 20 to 31 smoking constantly. All this person's family were the same - could never kick the stuff and got terrible anxiety and depression when they tried.This person commenced an SSRI two months before and was able to kick weed smoking (from a massive habit to cold turkey) over night and the only effects were mild boredom and tiredness.previously they had tried replacing weed with gaba herbs and tried xanax without success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 fine mate, i never give bongs a second thought. it's having that random single toke that will turn you back. I had no choice.. it was either give up the smoke or give up the misses..I got super cranky for a long time over nothing just about,And then some how one day the pipe didnt even enter into my head, i cant explain itThe same thing happened when i stopped drinking over night.. i cant explain it...Thinkin of ya chilli!!Chef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Thanks Chef, I've actually been off it for just over a year now.. will be my fourth major break from it! I started this thread a few years back when I stopped vaping in NZ, nad then again when I stopped about 6 months after moving back to Aus.. doing really well now, made some important changes and working my way up top bigger ones.Yeah Zen, SSRI's can definitely be really helpful for a lot of people, but I have had bad reactions to them in the past and so tend to avoid them.It still tempts me, if only I could restrict it to occasional use! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Kava. Kilns instant.google it. I haven't smoked in 8 months aside the few I had with major at ega, however I'm looking to take it back up as I've run into some absolute dream web. Kava takes the edge off, calms u down and is non addictive. If shit gets hectic see a counsellor maybee a cannabis clinic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Haha yeah incog you and me seem to start when the other finishes.. but I have been off for a year now, and doing really well.I had kava in NZ and it made me really really sleepy even in small amounts, I liked it though.. the numbing effect was interesting! But I thought it was illegal in aus now?What do you mean by "absolute dream web" man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chnt Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 i wanna try kava too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I don't think they sell kava to vaporizer using pussies. It's an entheogen for men ? Maybee a nice quiche instead? I do believe u will have trouble sourcing kava if the seller knows your a vaporizer using little bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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