wandjina Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 Debate and discuss.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabraxas Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 that wasn't Elvis....that was a troll.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandjina Posted December 10, 2006 Author Share Posted December 10, 2006 (edited) guilty as charged but, you know, the more I think about it, there may be something to this...or rather, something can be made out of it, which is kinda my point.Like the founder of the Jehovahs Witnesses (Russell?) who discovered that within the Great Pyramid at Giza is recorded the entire history of the world. Although the Ancient Egyptians were completely ignorant of the Imperial system of measurement, Russell was able to extract information on the age of the planet, and innumerable important events from the birth of Christ to the Crusades etc by measuring the length/breadth/distance from burial chamber to point 'x' etc. Likewise, that list of uncanny coincidences between Abe Lincoln and JFK and numerous other examples.It would appear relatively easy for anyone to amass dates, numbers, and other data and interpret it in such a way to indicate the existence of all flavours of conspiracies, cover-ups and paranormal phenomena. Which isn't to say that conspiracies, cover-ups and accounts of paranormal phenomena are all dreamt up by crackpots and quacks.But would it really be that much of a surprise to learn that somewhere out there someone really does believe that Elvis stole their spaceship? Hell, there may even be a church founded on the idea.Let's pull it apart a little...1) Elvis - supposed links to the CIA in the 1960s-70s.- known to be conservative/anti-hippy/anti-beatles/anti-drugs (with the exception of those prescribed to him).- Allegedly volunteered to work as an agent for the CIA.- believed by many to have faked his own death (more theories and 'circumstantial' evidence than you can poke a stick at).- undeniably a cult figure, to some Jesus-like...even got the whole resurrection thing going for him.2) Stolen spaceship- with reference to first 3 points...Elvis may have been/is a MIB (Man In Black)...and, having proven himself an accomplished conspirator in faking his own death, is now employed by a covert US military operation repossessing spacecraft and covering-up any signs of 'contact'.3) Spaceship- may be interpreted literally, as above, or metaphorically.- in more radical sects of the Elvis cult a 'spaceship' is a symbol, as in Jung's theory ('Flying Saucers' ...good book btw) that UFOs aren't from space, but arise from the subconscious.- *insert esoteric philosophical padding*There is enough there to work on given impetus.Look, I realise this sounds far-fetched, and investing energy theorising re Elvis/spaceships is by and large a waste of time...but i'd argue that this is also the case for some other seemingly more 'sophisticated' or sinister conspiracy theories. And, IMO, especially if they're cut and pasted/paraphrased from elsewhere (which is not to say they are not true, though the 'preaching to the converted' is getting a little tiresome IMO).I, for one, would be more interested in reading original material...like a 'Choose your own adventure' book for conspiracies. Oh, hang on...that should go in creativity. Or should it? Edited December 10, 2006 by wandjina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobriquet Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 guilty as charged but, you know, the more I think about it, there may be something to this...or rather, something can be made out of it, which is kinda my point.Wandjina you have a delightfully fresh way of thinking about lots of things. Before about 2001 I would have dismissed many of these 'odd' stories; but then I came across the Apollo lunar hoax theories and I think that's what opened my eyes to so many things.But yeah, I know exactly how you feel and agree wholeheartedly that to dismiss things out of hand without at least giving it a thought is not wise.Take care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandjina Posted December 10, 2006 Author Share Posted December 10, 2006 Wandjina you have a delightfully fresh way of thinking about lots of things. Before about 2001 I would have dismissed many of these 'odd' stories; but then I came across the Apollo lunar hoax theories and I think that's what opened my eyes to so many things.But yeah, I know exactly how you feel and agree wholeheartedly that to dismiss things out of hand without at least giving it a thought is not wise.cheers sob...though I'm not sure we're on the same page.I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but it seems to me some ppl take the ball and run with it. ie, they'll believe almost anything written by so-and-so or that appears on certain web-sites without question , yet criticise religious ppl for their blind faith.Curiously, conspiracy theorists also feel they must warn everyone off standard accounts, and tell us to be ever-skeptical. One wonders why they cannot subject their own theories to as much scrutiny as they dish out to other accounts? Double standards.The point I was trying to make above was not re dismissing things out of hand, but more in regards to the cobbling together of facts/factoids/anecdotal evidence/hearsay/unrelated data and bullshit to produce a conspiracy theory or 'alternative account'.There are enough real conspiracies, based on exhaustive scholarly research, to fill an encyclopedia. But I guess many lack the drama and intrigue of the tabloid variety so readily lapped up by the credulous.The history of the world is not recorded in Khufus pyramid, Russell measured in inches and feet....the corellations he 'found' were artefacts of his 'filter', including the arbitrary selection of data/mathematical manipulation of figures. The idea is, patterns may be found everywhere, data may be selectively collected and then rendered in such a way so as to appear to prove a theory. Such as creationism...creation scientists really believe there is a scientific basis to their theory. The earth is a few thousand years old...and they've got rock hard scientific evidence to prove it! They really believe that.How can people be so critical of blind religious faith, yet give so much credence to fear-based conspiracy theories. Is this the new religion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobriquet Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 (edited) Hi wandjina, yes I agree with your statements.I just wanted to point out that I think it's wrong to blindly accept or reject anything.I think they key is to try and give everything some thought and if you can't (or can't be bothered) to refrain from making comments on it or at least state that your position comes from a degree of ignorance about the whole issue.I mean the lunar landing 'hoax' issue was something I would have dismissed out of hand from a position of ignorance, but it was only after extensive research on it that I've come to my current position on it which I feel I can defend.And thats the key if your views are defendable after scrutiny then at least you're being intellectually honest.Anyhow I understand what you're saying and agree with your overall sentiment here.Wandjina you have a delightfully fresh way of thinking about lots of things. Before about 2001 I would have dismissed many of these 'odd' stories; but then I came across the Apollo lunar hoax theories and I think that's what opened my eyes to so many things.But yeah, I know exactly how you feel and agree wholeheartedly that to dismiss things out of hand without at least giving it a thought is not wise.cheers sob...though I'm not sure we're on the same page.I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but it seems to me some ppl take the ball and run with it. ie, they'll believe almost anything written by so-and-so or that appears on certain web-sites without question , yet criticise religious ppl for their blind faith.Curiously, conspiracy theorists also feel they must warn everyone off standard accounts, and tell us to be ever-skeptical. One wonders why they cannot subject their own theories to as much scrutiny as they dish out to other accounts? Double standards.The point I was trying to make above was not re dismissing things out of hand, but more in regards to the cobbling together of facts/factoids/anecdotal evidence/hearsay/unrelated data and bullshit to produce a conspiracy theory or 'alternative account'.There are enough real conspiracies, based on exhaustive scholarly research, to fill an encyclopedia. But I guess many lack the drama and intrigue of the tabloid variety so readily lapped up by the credulous.The history of the world is not recorded in Khufus pyramid, Russell measured in inches and feet....the corellations he 'found' were artefacts of his 'filter', including the arbitrary selection of data/mathematical manipulation of figures. The idea is, patterns may be found everywhere, data may be selectively collected and then rendered in such a way so as to appear to prove a theory. Such as creationism...creation scientists really believe there is a scientific basis to their theory. The earth is a few thousand years old...and they've got rock hard scientific evidence to prove it! They really believe that.How can people be so critical of blind religious faith, yet give so much credence to fear-based conspiracy theories. Is this the new religion? Edited December 11, 2006 by sobriquet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Μορφέας Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 (edited) great post wandji! Edited December 11, 2006 by tepa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lono Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 wandjina, your fears are not unfounded, mate.I have it on good authority that elvis did fake his own death and did indeed steal your spaceship. But not merely for joyriding, no.He in fact tied up Michael Jackson and jettisoned him into geostationary orbit sometime during the early 80s, had himself sugically altered to look like Jackson and then usurped his indentity thus regaining his own status as the king of pop. But it doesn't stop there, the whole sordid tale of doppleganging and coup d'etat was not for the gratification of Elvis' god complex, it was in fact a cunning ruse to evade tax.By later marrying Lisa Marie (his own daughter) he was able to consolidate Jacksons assets gained through the initial identity fraud with the remains of his own estate, without attacting the attention of the authorities or incurring any capital gains or income tax liability. Some would suggest also, that marrying his own daughter was a return to the traditional southern values Elvis was rasied on. However that seems a little far fetched to me...Anyway with the ensuing breakup of this marriage of convenience it would seem that there has been a new development. Perhaps Elvis himself is still wearing the mask but is suffering from the same madness sometimes acquired by drug enforcment agents who have been in deep cover for too long. He now believes he IS Jackson. If this is the case then the only solution will be to have him undergo a thorough deprogramming, and the only man for the job is of course Michael J Fox however finding him may pose a problem as he has not been seen for some time as, he is in the wilderness drinking ayahuasca and channelling both Mahummad Ali and Ronald reagan at the same time, which in itself is no small feat. Or maybe, just maybe. Tito Jackson has undergone the same surgery, in order to, KILL Elvis, avenge his brothers exile and take his place until such time as funds can be raised to launch a rescue probe bring Michael home. But Michael will not have been a totally benign force in this, wandjina, he has clearly been using your spaceship as a baby farm. Using cloned embryo's stolen from a stem cell research laboratory and the frozen sperm of Charles Bronson.Why, you say? Shit man isn't it obvious? All those child abuse lawsuits? The plaintiffs are all members of Jackson's clone army who are using the courts to extract the remaining funds from Jackson's estate (again tax free) in order to fund the rescue mission and pay for the surgery Jackson desparately needs to enact his plan to body swap with Britney Spears (al la Elvis Presley), giving himself the queen of pop title he has always secretly coveted.Any questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mu! Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 By george, Lono's got it!Now do Wiggum.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandjina Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 I am astounded by your powers of deduction!!! There can be no doubt Lono...You've cracked it. Astounding!Though i think if you were to disclose that the above was in actuality channelled from Lemuria (the ancestral home of all lemurs), it might lend the theory more credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hey lono, that made perfect sense ey. I mean it all fits together... But I'm still a bit skeptical i mean where is your proof? who are you channeling!?!?! tell me? I don't need facts, just a random name you can make up... make it some kind of ancient king from .. a galaxy far far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lono Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 (edited) El Duderino, I'm shocked? Proof?What more proof do you need? You dont think Elvis is really dead do you? Or that Lisa Marie Presley really wanted to give eskimo kisses to a guy whose nose would regularly fall of in high winds. And I mean what else are they going to do with Charles Bronson's frozen sperm? Jesus, no woman in their right mind would load up a turkey baster with that vile mutant's tadpoles. He looked like a cane toad with a monobrow!As far as disclosing the names of my spirit guides: good help is hard to find, and no way am I going to subject my ethereal benefactors to an avalanche of John Edwards style astral stalkers like you turkeys! Duderino, I can tell you where your dead great-grandmother liked to bury the family jewels but I think it may have serious consequences for our frendship.Don't chase the spirits boys, a good shaman lets the visions find him. Edited December 12, 2006 by Lono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lono Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Um, wow no responses.I hope nobody took that the wrong way...It really was just a pisstake. I'd journey with you guys anytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t st tantra Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 lol,some people who know me intimately can confirm my vision of a few months back,that i and others were being manipulated by somebeing labled 'the elvis impersonator'.the motivation may have been involved with my 'spaceship'. lol.make what you will of this.i'm still trying to understand. t s t . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KanJe Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 From the amount of people I have seen as an 'elvis impersonator', it would not surprise me to think that one of them took their hobbie on past death. Kinda left to spend an eternity in the image of the 'king' randomly finding souls to guide through the planes.I wonder if he does shows ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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