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These are the seeds I sell and post out. The ziplock bags are small "snack" size, but you can use any size really. Open a bag, spray water in 1 or 2 times. Mostly seal the bag but leave a small opening in the middle. Pinch either side of the 10mm opening and push together slightly to make an opening. Blow the bag up using your mouth then seal it. Give it a good shake to spread the seeds and water around. If the bag deflates just blow it up again, it usually lasts the 2 weeks though. Then put in a dark place at room temp. I did this on 20 August 2021. The rest of the pics were taken 2 September 2021. As you can see germination rate is still good, around 80%. These were harvested December 2020 and kept in a cool, dry, dark place. If you want to buy any seed it's 23 bucks for 150x seeds, all in one bag from tree number 4 which is Vienna White/Pink (running low on others), including tracked postage. Message me here or [email protected]
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Southern Sydney - free trees available to pickup only. One narrow and one red, most branches removed for easy handling, rootballs attached. I live down in the shire next to the royal national park. You'd probably want to hurry as I posted this on the SAB FB page also. Send me a message if you're interested. The branches and leaves are all available for pickup too.
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Searching for a narrow leaf khat plant cutting or seed cheers only pure narrow leaf no mixed variant
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Hey all! Do any of you have experience with Khat? What are your thoughts on the effects and what situations do you find yourself using it? - Cheers all!
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B. Caapi, P.Nexus,Khat & More - Trees, Roots & Vines
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Hey Folks, Up for cheap grabs are at least two 10 year old B. Caapi Vines....My property is going to market soon and I guarantee my plants will be torn out and the block leveled. So a rare offer to anyone willing to come and harvest VINES, ROOTS and ALL. My health is poor including a bad back so I am unable to assist much with their removal but I can provide garden tools required and cold drinks/amenities etc. I took the photos below of just the very bases of the vines one of which stretches 30 odd foot up a Liquid Amber tree...There are Meters of thick Vine (Black and Yellow) here and as I said, take the roots and all. I also have Narrow Leaf Khat trees on this property which can be removed if you are willing. Not pictured are the 10 year old Psychotria bushes that hedge the Vines...All of it must go to one of you rather than the dump. Normally I wouldn't ask for money for such plants but alas, health issues cost money even with our system. I recall foot long lengths of vine going for $60 each in 2009 by a regular member everyone knows, you wont pay anywhere near that rate.....you will walk away with meters of the stuff and whatever other things that pique your interest. Countless cuttings could be taken, but who in their right mind would be offering Roots and all B. Caapi? Make me an offer before or after you inspect the Vines and trees...Let me know if you want more photos and I'll take some. NORTHSIDE BRISBANE (Near Airport) PICK UP ONLY.- 19 replies
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Hello! I am looking for a few plants, Artemisia Absinthium (and cultivars! ) and Lavender (specifically Lavandula Angustifolia "Munstead", but interested in other types) also Catha Edulis, Kava plants, and the elusive S. Divinorum. Apart from these I would love to hear what people have in their collections that they would be interested in selling/trading main interests are mild to strong sedatives and relaxants, like Kava and Khat. Also seeking viable poppy seed. I have a few types of seeds for trade, PM for details, also happy to buy with $$. Thank you <3
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Family: Celastraceae Genus: Catha Species: edulis Common Names: Khat, Ghat, Gat, Qat, Qaat, Jaad, Jimma Description Khat is a slow growing shrub or small tree that grows to between 2 m and 5 m tall, depending on region, rainfall and genetic strain. The evergreen leaves are serrated and 5 to 10 cm long and 1 to 4 cm broad, with the new tip growth frequently showing distinctive caramel colour. The flowers are produced on short axillary cymes 4 to 8 cm long. Each flower is small, with five white petals. The fruit is an oblong three-valved capsule containing 1 to 3 winged seeds. Flowering branches have opposite leaves, non-flowering branches are alternate. Cultivation Propagation is from cuttings, which are relatively straightforward but are better taken from the alternate branches, which are the main growth stems (opposite branches being the flowering stems which may root but are not ideal for cutting growth). In some areas, cuttings should be taken over Autumn (Fall) and re-potted in Spring when the new growth starts. Standard rooting hormone (preferably as a gel) can be used, and the cuttings placed in a humid environment. Division of plants can also be undertaken, when a plant is cut back frequently to create bushy growth many new shoots can develop, usually at the base of the plant. These can be carefully dug up and replanted. Khat can produce seeds very prolifically when allowed to develop (too much harvesting or cutting back will strongly inhibit flower production) and should be harvested as soon as they are ripe (the pod begins to split). As the ripening occurs at different speeds across the entire plant, many harvests should be undertaken over the ripening period. Seed is best sown quickly, but may store for up to 2 years in good conditions. Seed sowing into moist but well-drained soil, preferably in a humid environment but under cover to prevent too much water saturation of the soil (especially in wetter areas). Shade is recommended for young plants, gradually hardening off to full sun as they reach the end of the first seasons growth. Planting out should not be undertaken until the plant has another season growth, when it will be large enough to establish itself quickly in the ground. Other than access to sun and water, Khat requires little maintenance, but irrigation in dry periods is recommended for good growth. It takes seven to eight years for the Khat plant to reach its full height, but harvesting can happen after 5 years. Plants are watered heavily starting around a month before they are harvested to make the leaves and stems soft and moist. A good Khat plant can be harvested four times a year, providing a year long source of income for the farmer (where legal). Plants are best trimmed back to create a hedge or small shrub for easy harvesting, and fed heavily in spring to help new growth. Sugar-cane mulch will help moisture retention in dry soils, and help improve poor soils over time. Harvesters in traditional areas transport Khat by packaging the leaves and stems in plastic bags or wrapping them in banana leaves to preserve their moisture and keep the cathinone potent. It is also common for them to sprinkle the plant with water frequently or use refrigeration during transportation. History Khat's exact place of origin is uncertain. It may have first been grown in Ethiopia, explorer Sir Richard Burton suggested that the plant was later introduced to Yemen from Ethiopia sometime in the 15th century, and states that the eastern city of Harar is suggested is the birthplace of the plant. However, Khat chewing has a long history amongst communities in the Horn of Africa (Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia) and the Arabian Peninsula, dating back probably many thousands of years. The Ancient Egyptians considered the Khat plant a divine food, which was capable of releasing humanity's divinity. The Egyptians used the plant for more than its stimulating effects; they used it for transcending into "apotheosis", with the intent of making the user god-like. The earliest known documented description of khat is found in the Kitab al-Saidala fi al-Tibb كتاب الصيدلة في الطب, an 11th century work on pharmacy and materia medica written by Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, a Persian scientist and biologist who wrote "Khat is a commodity from Turkestan. It is sour to taste and slenderly made in the manner of batan-alu. But khat is reddish with a slight blackish tinge. It is believed that batan-alu is red, coolant, relieves biliousness, and is a refrigerant for the stomach and the liver." Preparations and Use Khat use in the Horn of Africa and the Arabian Peninsula predates the use of coffee and is used in a similar social context. The fresh leaves and tops are chewed or, less frequently, dried and consumed as tea, in order to achieve a state of euphoria and stimulation; it also has anorectic side-effects. The leaves or the soft part of the stem can be chewed with either chewing gum or fried peanuts to make it easier to chew. Frequently Khat is bundled in to a quid of 30 to 40 fresh leaf bunches. In other countries, Khat is sometimes chewed at parties or social functions. It may also be used by farmers and laborers for reducing physical fatigue or hunger, and by drivers and students for improving attention. Within the counter-culture segments of the elite population in Kenya, khat (referred to locally as Veve or Miraa) is used to counter the effects of a hangover or binge drinking, similar to the use of the Coca leaf in South America. In more recent times, preservation in alcohol has been experimented with, fresh leaves being packed in to alcohol which is subsequently filtered and served as an alcoholic beverage. Effects Khat consumption induces mild euphoria and excitement, similar to that conferred by strong coffee. Individuals become very talkative under the influence of the plant. The effects of oral administration of cathinone occur more rapidly than the effects of amphetamine pills, roughly 15 minutes as compared to 30 minutes in amphetamine. Khat can induce manic behaviors and hyperactivity similar in effects to those produced by amphetamine. Dilated pupils (mydriasis) are prominent during khat consumption, reflecting the sympathomimetic effects of the drug, which are also reflected in increased heart rate and blood pressure. Withdrawal symptoms that may follow occasional use include mild depression and irritability. Withdrawal symptoms that may follow prolonged Khat use include lethargy, mild depression, nightmares, and slight tremor. Khat is an effective anorectic (causes loss of appetite). Long-term use can precipitate the following effects: negative impact on liver function, permanent tooth darkening (of a greenish tinge), susceptibility to ulcers, and diminished sex drive. Use of Khat can cause constipation. It is unclear if the consumption of Khat directly affects the mental health of the user or not. Occasionally, a psychosis can result, resembling a hypomanic state in presentation. Chemistry and Pharmacology The stimulant effect of the plant was originally attributed to "katin", cathine, a phenethylamine-type substance isolated from the plant. However, the attribution was disputed by reports showing the plant extracts from fresh leaves contained another substance more behaviorally active than cathine. In 1975, the related alkaloid cathinone was isolated, and its absolute configuration was established in 1978. Cathinone is not very stable and breaks down to produce cathine and norephedrine. These chemicals belong to the PPA (phenylpropanolamine) family, a subset of the phenethylamines related to amphetamines and the catecholamines epinephrine and norepinephrine. In fact, cathinone and cathine have a very similar molecular structure to amphetamine. Khat is sometimes confused with methcathinone (also known as Cat), a Schedule 9 substance that possess a similar chemical structure to the Khat plant's cathinone active component. However, both the side effects and the addictive properties of methcathinone are much stronger than those associated with Khat use. When Khat leaves dry, the more potent chemical, cathinone, decomposes within 48 hours leaving behind the milder chemical, cathine. When the Khat leaves are chewed, cathine and cathinone are released and absorbed through the mucous membranes of the mouth and the lining of the stomach. The action of cathine and cathinone on the reuptake of epinephrine and norepinephrine has been demonstrated in lab animals, showing that one or both of these chemicals cause the body to recycle these neurotransmitters more slowly, resulting in the wakefulness and insomnia associated with Khat use. Receptors for serotonin show a high affinity for cathinone suggesting that this chemical is responsible for feelings of euphoria associated with chewing Khat. In mice, cathinone produces the same types of nervous pacing or repetitive scratching behaviors associated with amphetamines. The effects of cathinone peak after 15 to 30 minutes with nearly 98% of the substance metabolized into norephedrine by the liver. Cathine is somewhat less understood, being believed to act upon the adrenergic receptors causing the release of epinephrine and norepinephrine. It has a half-life of about 3 hours in humans. Because the receptor effect are similar to those of cocaine medication, treatment of the occasional addiction is similar to that of cocaine. The medication bromocriptine can reduce cravings and withdrawal symptoms within 24 hours. Health In 1980, the World Health Organisation (WHO) classified it as a drug of abuse that can produce mild to moderate psychological dependence (less than tobacco or alcohol), which means the WHO does not consider Khat to be seriously addictive. Immediate effects: Increased heart rate, blood pressure Euphoria Hyperactivity Decreased appetite Long-term effects: Depression Sometimes hallucinations Delayed response inhibition Increased risk of myocardial infarction Psychosis in extreme cases in the genetically predisposed Oral cancer Indeterminate effects: Death and stroke following acute coronary syndrome (either from impaired insight into symptoms by the Khat chewer, delay to care, or poorly understood pathophysiological mechanisms) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More info about Khat and other ethnobotanicals can be found here.
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Greetings to all members of this wonderful community. I have been lurking for a while, but now is time to contribute. I'm really expanding my ethnobotanical garden this year, so what better place to share and get valuable input than the Corroboree. I started most of my plants from seeds with the exception of some cacti and a few cuttings of plants I was either not able to get to germinate or couldn't get my hands on the seeds. So enough talking, let's see the plants! Disclaimer: I live in Europe, in a country where all the plants I'm about to show you are legal to cultivate. My Rubiaceae - Coffea Arabica ("Coffee") I bought this cutting a couple months ago, it has put out some new leaves and seems to be doing good - Mitragyna Speciosa ("Kratom") Since I can't find cuttings anywhere here in europe, I started my kratom grow from seeds. These are the Rifat strain, from 2 to 3 months old. The germination rate was pretty good, about 75%, certainly a lot more than I expected from reading about mitragyna germination online. The leftmost yellow pots are tiny Red Thai sprouts. - Mitragyna Parvifolia ("Kaim") Nothing to show yet but I started some seeds, will update if and when they sprout. - Psychotria Viridis ("Chacruna") I received these plants about 2 weeks ago and they've already both put out a new set of leaves, and pushing a second one. I'll be taking some leaf cuttings soon. - Psychotria Alba ("Amyruca") Given to me for free by the person I bought the Chacruna plants from, there are 4 or 5 separate plantlets. - Tabernanthe Iboga ("Iboga") I've had these plants for about 3 months, I kept the back 3 in a humid environment, and the front 3 in dry air to acclimatize. The back row have grown one new set of leaves in those 3 months, the others have shed all their leaves and are starting to grow new ones. My Fabaceae - Acacia Acuminata (narrow phyllodes variety) These sprouted about 3 weeks ago - Acacia Confusa ("Formosan Koa") These seedlings are a little over a month old - Anadenanthera Peregrina ("Yopo") About 10 days old seedling and others on day 1 of sprouting - Chamaecrista Fasciculata ("Partridge Pea") Sprouted about a week ago - Desmanthus Illinoiensis ("Bundleflower") Sprouted a couple weeks ago - Mimosa Hostilis ("Jurema") The seedlings in both pots are about a month old - Mimosa Pudica ("Sensitive Plant") About 2 months old seedling My Lamiaceae - Coleus Blumei - Leonotis Leonurus ("Wild Dagga") Nothing to show yet, started the seeds a few days ago - Leonotis Nepetifolia ("Klip Dagga") The plants are about 2 months old - Leonurus Sibiricus ("Marijuanilla") I had a plant (the dry stick) that flowered and set seeds, the sprouts come from that. - Salvia Divinorum ("Diviner's sage") Received the cuttings May 24th My Asteraceae - Artemisia Absinthium ("Wormwood") Got the cutting a couple months ago, it has tripled in size. - Calea Zacatechichi ("Mexican Dream Herb") My 3 Calea plants from which I took a bunch of cuttings today as you can see in the pic - Spilanthes Oleracea ("Toothache Plant") Some of my Spilanthes plants, the biggest purplish one is starting to flower - Stevia Rebaudiana ("Sweet Leaf") Sprouted yesterday, took less than a week - Tagetes Lucida ("Mexican Tarragon") This seedling is about a month and a half, I have a bunch of other ones but this is the best looking so far. My Vines - Argyreia Nervosa ("Hawaiian Baby Woodrose") The bigger one is about 2-3 months old - Banisteriopsis Caapi ("Ayahuasca") I burned the leaves by spraying some epsom salts solution I had in my sprayer for other plants and forgot about. Anyone knows what's up with the very narrow leaved one? It definitely is caapi, I made sure the sprout came from a caapi seed when it sprouted. I have more seeds on the way to me right now. - Ipomoea Tricolor ("Heavenly Blue") The growth rate of these plants is incredible, this is about a month old seedling grown on a windowsill the whole time. I really need to find a place for it to climb. - Ipomoea Violacea ("Morning Glory") This is one of my morning glory seedlings, the other one sprouted in an other ethnobotanical plant's pot and is starting to climb it, pretty cool looking. - Passiflora Incarnata ("Medicinal Passionflower") My 3 cuttings and little unexpected seedling which sprouted over a month after being sown My Active Succulents - Bacopa Monnieri ("Brahmi") - Cissus Quadrangularis ("Pirandai") Got the cuttings from my mother's big plant, will post pictures of it soon - Delosperma Cooperi ("Iceplant") Got this one from my mother who was neglecting it - Sceletium Tortuosum ("Kanna") My bigger plant which was a small cutting a couple months ago, and some seedlings. I'm going to take cuttings of the bigger plant, I'll document the process. My Active Cacti I'll just post a family picture of my lophophora and ariocarpus collection, here are the species I have, just play where's Waldo - Ariocarpus Fissuratus sp. ("Living Rock") - Ariocarpus Fissuratus (var. Hintonii) - Ariocarpus Fissuratus (var. Intermedius) - Lophophora Williamsii ("Peyote") - Variegated Lophophora Williamsii - Lophophora Williamsii var. caespitosa ("Multi-headed Peyote") - Lophophora Williamsii var. Grymii (Dwarf variety) - Matucana Madisoniorum (not active but was once rumored to be) If you really want to play where's Waldo, try to spot the variegated seedling in the last picture, it looks like it might turn out to look just like my bigger variegated loph. hint: it's in the lower right corner, above the 4 that are in a line. Also peep the weird 3-headed seedling. As for my trichocerei: - Trichocereus Bridgesii ("Achuma") The first one is about a meter tall and is the bluest cactus I've ever seen, it just started to root and put out some new growth. The second one is about 30cm tall and same thing, just started rooting and growing again. The third is my couple of monstrose. Finally a bunch of seedlings. There are also some bigger ~8 months old seedlings in the 1st lophophora family picture above. - Trichocereus Pachanoi ("San Pedro") The first one is about 85-90cm, very blue in person. Looks like it might be a cross but it was sold as pachanoi. The second one looks like a Claude clone, it is very thick, about 85-90cm too. The last one is my cool broccoli looking crested pachanoi. The rest are some smaller cuttings and seedlings. And of course check out the dozen pachanoi cuttings in the first loph picture above. - Trichocereus Peruvianus ("Peruvian Torch") On the right & middle of the first picture - Trichocereus Terscheckii In a 7x7cm pot - Opuntia Cylindrica Rumoured to be active, I don't really believe it but erowid says it can contain 0.9% mescaline. My mother collected this one in Portugal. I've seen some crested ones online, they really look funky with the leaves. My Other Ethnobotanicals & Active Plants - Camellia Sinensis ("Tea") - Catha Edulis ("Khat") ~ month old seedlings - Combretum Quadrangulare ("Sakae Naa") Seedling at about a month and a half - Eschscholzia Californica ("Californian Poppy") - Heimia Salicifolia (Sinicuichi) Recently took cuttings from it and it bushed it out nicely - Ilex Paraguaiensis ("Yerba Maté") All the lighter green leaves are new growth from the past 2 or 3 months - Lactuca Virosa ("Wild Lettuce") This stuff grows everywhere but I had to pot one up for completion sake - Nicotinia Rustica ("Mapacho") - Nicotinia Tabacum ("Virginia Gold") - Papaver Somniferum (Persian White, Giant Tasmanian, Hen & Chicks) - Phalaris Arundinacea ("Reed Canary Grass") - Silene Capensis ("African Dream Root") That's it (for the moment), I'll try to update at least once a week or when I have something interesting to show.
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Hello all, I am new here. First off, nice to meet you all and merry Xmas. I have always had an interest In Ethnobotany, but I haven't been to this forum before, I am hoping to have a nice time here. :-). I am after some khat plants, I have some seeds, but god knows I just can't seem to get them to Germinate, I bought them from SHAM. And since that I live in WA, I can't buy the plant from the Eastern States. So if anybody in WA has some khat plants available for sale then please let me Know as I desperately want to add a live khat plant to my ethnobotanical garden. Don't mind how Much I have to pay either. Thanks guys, much appreciated. Cheers.
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Phaemon'sDog with others of Clan Pat Uri HATE lies, misinformation and drug hysteria where it is grossly inaccurate and leads to people getting reamed for no medical, scientific or ethnobotanical reason. Fact is its the popular "bullsh*t" spouted by ignorant "authorities" that forces new folk to have to self experiment to find the truth, at their peril. One case is cannabis that for decades "authorities" have told us causes "addiction", "cancer", "insanity", "memory loss", "paranoid schizophrenia", "hopelessly unemployment", "men will grow tits", "girls sluts", "anarchy", "God's wraith" etc. so when kids try it - as they will - they think if "authorities" were wrong about cannabis, maybe they are wrong about the other drugs and these are worth a try too... Man, the amount of young kids who front up in Emergency hospitalisation poisoned on alcohol because they thought it just made you "feel good" - maybe their drink was spiked with "drugs" - confounds belief! But now suddenly cannabis is safe enough to give young children! Ok - that's the example here is the case:- Khat Cathus edulis is f.a. as a dangerous drug of addiction - even as a drug at all! My guinea pig "Bronwyn" escaped into Pat's greenhouse once and eat 10 times her body weight in khat until caught - loved it! and nothing happened, well not to her anyway...when Pat Uri caught up with MY arse it was different. There is not a single report of a westerner getting the slightest buzz off chewing khat - all reports write they were disappointed and would have got better value off a cup of coffee. This is the first hand truth - khat chewing does very, very little if at all - you certainly won't miss any sleep over it - a cigar, coffee or Zoloft tablet is more potent. Dead set! No bullsh*t! Yet good knowledgeable forum folk word up on the following:- Man Charged Over Khat Drug Find in Brisbane's South http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/man-charged-over-khat-drug-find-in-brisbanes-south-20150315-144k18.html http://whlt.com/2015/10/13/local-investigators-concerned-about-foreign-drug/ Saying what little khat has of cathinone is like methamphetamine be like saying a panadeine tablet is an overdose of heroin. And I ain't a chemist. Can you believe such medieval witch burning still goes on in informed modern times? Is it not too late to tell the truth that the only thing that makes khat a drug is ignorant hearsay, authorities are misinformed and, well, racist - its not the khat they should hate - its just the scapegoat - its the anger of ethnic minorities that are given no platform to speak from and no one to listen? Let us keep it real people. Regards, PhaemonsDog
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Hey, I am looking for some Khat... anybody know where I might find a lil fella? Perth W.A
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The big ones are two years old and the littles are less than a year. All of my new growth is coming out shrunken, dry, and brittle. In the past I have had mite problems with these results, but they have cleared with insecticidal soap/ neem oil spray. These plants have been getting treatments weekly and yet they still are ailing. Healthier looking leaves do sprout sometimes but they are misshapen and often speckled yellow. I'm out of ideas... Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks!
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Hi, I'm looking to get/I mean if you could just send me a cutting or a few seeds in the mail I'd be more than happy to pay for postage! but otherwise I can get a few dollars together to pay for the plant so PM me.. or I definitely may have something to trade you -Piper methysticum (kava) -Anadenanthera or Yopo -Banisteriopsis caapi -Voacanga africana -mimosa hostilis -catha edulis -tabernanthe Thanks guys Entheogenic garden
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I'm in search of some fresh Catha edulis seeds from 2013/2014. If you have some for trade/sale, please send me a PM.
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I suffer from narcolepsy and dysthymia (long standing moderate depression) I have read that Arab doctors in the 18th and 19th century used to use it for people suffering lethargy and depression and want to grow a bulk amount 50-200 since firstly I havn'nt experience growing them and expect a high failure rate and secondly since the effects are short lived will need a lot of plants in my garden. I will pay gladly for some fresh seeds my email address is [email protected], thankyou
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so, I've had this little cutting a few months, is rooted and it's thrown a few new leaves and has shown healthy progress, but since the temp dropping for autumn it has started to droop and drop some leaves. I keep the soil slightly moist most the time, and have begun turning a heat mat on under it.... but I want to take care if this droopy, leaf dropping prob before it's too late, any tips much appreciated! thanks :-)
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VICE produced a nice video on segment on khat in Kenya in light of the proposed UK ban. It's a nice summary of the system of trade and the economies that depend on the our favorite cathninone containing shrub. Really nice shots of an international culture which I haven't seen detailed anywhere else except the fairly academic book Kenyan Khat. Check it out:
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This little Catha was over watered once, had some leaf drop and has since been well cared for but now the leaves are growing back wrinkled and very small. I'm guessing that this is fungus... Is there a course of treatment that I may implement to save this plant? Thanks!
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HI All, Really hope that someone could help me out with Ephedra (Sinica, Sinensis or Major) Seeds. I am also trying so hard to source a small live Catha Edulis (khat) of and variety. As the post title suggests..... Just Name your price. Will have nice Voaconga Africana seed to swap soon but not just yet. Pm me Thank You in advance