Seldom

the number of cells in your brain is greater than the number of brains in your entire body

*just for the record huffing butane will make you dumber than van full of retards

Comparing the way I thought about entheogens 2 years ago with how I see them now, I have to say I have a substantially different view. I've had a lot of wild trips ranging from a fall into temporary (felt like permanent) insanity, to kissing good ol' God on the cheek, and most things in between. for some reason i don't really want to take them anymore. i don't think it's a generalisably superior attitude, it's just how I feel. to rephrase Bowie i feel i got the message, and something inside me, which i suppose didn't even involved any intention, has hung up the phone. I'm just interested in hearing opinions. i know i have been a bit of a jerk to people on here sometimes, but i promise if you respond i will answer you in a non-abusive way. Peace,

some wisdom from whitewind next post next post again: so tools can, be used for .. only one purpose? or .. no wait .. one purpose can be used for .. no, no. wait, can you just say that again whitewind? i almost got it

you're good value, i'll give you that Boom! that's all i wanted. as above, i posted because you, as someone people generally listen to here, posted these words which i maintain, is a fucking immature thing for a person in your position to say. what you're missing here, and why i question your 'research skills' ( the list of academic journals i have access to are just here, so yes they are different, and trust me i would research this if i wanted to) .. is that i never said there is a causal link between ayahuasca and sacraficing, or that the one is entirely reducible to the other. yes, religious indoctrination played a part - tick - we get that. but look at the words Torsten it says i think ayahuasca was a significant variable. you're right that there are no studies titled 'baby sacraficing as a function of ayahuasca intake' but i maintain you are naive for saying it had nothing to do with it. the point is when most people use the words they have no faith in to refer to things which according to them do not corrospond to the meaning of the term they're using, they do so derisively. they will put ' ' marks around it as in the 'virgin mother' or something, and not give the impression that they are using the word in the same sense that those who believe it would use. what political work? i've never heard of anything being changed by you at the level of politics. show me the cases? my point to you is that if you go after this openly admitting that you're exploiting a loophole people will just laugh at you. it's rediculous. the fuck are you to say what does and doesn't give people a sense of connectedness ? how is that not just egotism? you infer all that stuff from my tone and the attitude i show in saying that ayahuasca was a significant variable in that situation? in reality, big fella, i'm just now about to enter post-graduate study in a field whose clinical side is concerned solely with the above described qualities, so give me warn points or band be, but in relation to what you are accusing me in ^ section of text, basically - you can fuck off.

ok, i get that now sorting stuff out? could you be more vague? yep you clearly missunderstand. don't think 'powerful', think numbers. of people. the point is not that new things are ... , it's that genuinely new perspectives, new activities, new things - are at their weakest point - in relation to the degree of support which the world affords them - when they first emerge. that's what i'm saying. it would be a lot easier to destroy those iphone apps now than it will be in 100 years. it's not saying they're good or bad. the insight is not a moral or emotional one, it relates to the tendencies which all new things have. new things are good/bad/indifferent. and yes people, chimps, birds, etc do like novelty. but thatt's not the point. only on a good day ;)

fair call, it's not my place to have commented on your medical problems. nevertheless: Soooooo, your point is? That aya should be treated the same as water? you are not making much sense here. the point is, and the reason i commented in the first place was you posted that you don't think it has anything to do with ayahuasca. i have been saying it is a significant variable. the fuck can you not see that, from my very first post in this thread. that is why i am saying you're immature. because you said it had nothing to do with it. go back and read it. its in the last page. you don't think i understand questions and replies? / ok. good one. There are plenty of other christian cults that kill babies. That's what i keep saying: google infant sacrifice and see how many are related to drugs and how many are related to religions. You will find the vast majority are due to religions, and amongst those christians [mostly in africa] are at the top of the list. They also still burn witches and hunt albinos. No drugs required... just a good dose of Jesus. i'll leave you to make the erudite conclusions there big fella, based on your l1te google research skills Entheogens have helped me because even in my darkest days I felt connected and with a purpose, this is the closest that whole post got to what i was trying to get out of you with my second post. and you know what - most people say they get the same from having a family, close friends, or even a fucking cat. why do you use the word entheogen if you say you're an athiest? remember the time i asked you why you support the alignment of hallucinogens with religion for political purposes, when you openly admit you don't believe? explain to me again why that's not disengenuous? knowing that my suffering helps others and that's what's kept me motivated. ... ? really. ok then. if only those poor Africans could get a good dose of Torsten, eh ..

^ quote the parts you don't understand? i'm happy to elaborate if you're not sure why make a comment implying i'm saying something that i;m not edit - to be as clear as possible, my point to you was "don't treat [ayahuasca] like an innert reflection of people's intentions, because it isn't"

who is this directed to? should religions be banned? are you 10 years old? i'm sorry if i sounds offensive, but if i have anything to offer you it's going to come from honesty. it really disheartens me to read this today, as well as the fat medication thread you started. the reason it makes me disheartened is that you are a person with great access to 'entheogens', but you have no better ability to overcome your own problems than anyone else, no doubt you're a nice guy but the impression i get from things you've posted recently is you're also an overweight and naive person who has a lot of trouble with the cops, and who has killed most of their stomach flora by trying to find easy ways out of your problems .. i know the entirety of who you are is not reducible to these features, but are these facts untrue? if you want to "ask the question a little more relevant" what sort of example are you to people interested in 'entheogenesis'? my answer is no, don't ban religion. power is always on the side of conservation, strength is in repetition, there's always something inherently weak about novelty. people using aya here are not doing the same thing when they drink it as people who live a traditional life in the Amazon. i don't know if you saw it but at Rak's be-in at the last EGA, the lady singing 'icaros' at the top of her voice? wandering around when everyone else was sitting, she was off chops and bein real disruptive? that to me is the image of people in Aus who think they're using aya 'traditionally' .. there's something about reality that tends to favour the reproduction of strong elements of the past within the present. new things are always the weakest, the most susceptible to being corrupted. aya in countries outside South America is a novelty. it's a rediculous comparison. religion (think of what's encompassed by this word) is not to humans what the physical act of drinking aya is to the production of wellbeing. churches have been around for a long time, and indeed they do harbour pedos and cause all sorts of problems. but hallucinogens can fuck up peoples minds, and i mean proper fuck them. so can religions, but so can car accidents, CO poisoning, even drinking too much water. there are no Christian water cults, and if there were i doubt it would be as easy to convince their members to off a baby by burning it alive. this is what makes me say what i'm saying is for sure whitewind, all you others, you can say it's a therapeutic tool, but in relation to proliferation of its use in non-South American countries - drinking it here with an Aussie mindset is not the same as drinking it in South America - meaning strap on a f*cking helmet, it's a novelty so be prepared for some pretty gnarly things to happen, don't treat it like an innert reflection of people's intentions, because it isn't, i don't know what it is but DMT is an extremely powerful substance, no one has a monopoly on understanding it or what it can make people do.

^ all you rudderless hippies would be straight to the gulag if i was in charge

.. the point is don't talk rubish about people's families unless you know that they're true i have no interest arguing with people, but i reserve the right to call someone a clown shoes if that's what the behaviour they're showing says

seems i only ever log in these days to correct bullshit .. Was talking to someone who knew tom tilley the other day. Says he had an interesting background. Tom grew up in some weird cult and was the first in his family to break free from it. Then he did modelling. Interesting about the cult Tom grew up in mudgee NSW, he was school captain at the public primary school i went to when i was in year 3. His younger brother Alex was in my year in primary before going to boarding school in Sydney. Their father was a minister of the Frontline church for 30+ years, he's done more charity in a week than you'll even think about in your life. look them up you fucking clown shoes, they are not a cult, and no one thinks your cool for spreading second hand lies about people's family.

nah

legend! very cool, as usual PH . also make more didjs !

like fuck it's 'anything more than incidental' ^ a substance as powerful as DMT is a significant variable in the equation, it's hopelessly naive to say it isn't ..

interests of honesty, i've crossed a rubicon and no longer live in northern nsw, i lost 95% of my ethnos when i came home one day and everything i own was packed up and shoved into a shipping container, consequence of renting/house sitting without a lease, from an unstable alcoholic. long story short i won't be sending anything to anyone. i'm sorry. i now live and study in Orange, central western NSW .. i don't have good access to the internet at the moment but hit me up if you're in the area, you'd like me

what's more powerful than a North Korean nuclear missile ? .. . a datsun 180b!

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interbeing, DreamTimeBliss, obtuse, shortly, veritas, you guys win! no hints but obtuse, only because you're a cool dude and i know you have experience in growing acacias (if any of you other guys know that you can get plants to maturity and in the ground, and have suitable climate etc, pm with details) i can gift an extra 2 or 3 of a rare gem from the north which is in need of cultivation sorry i don't have more for other people at the moment it wasn;t a planned deal, but as you would know staying with sab and paying attention to the right things, and ignoring the nonsense - is well worth it. peace