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i think you guys miss the point in that science is about measurement - it isn't exclusively about fact accumulation, science isn't concerned with capital T Truths, it's integral to the nature of scientific progress that it's truths be 'small t truths' - it's not a contentious view, science progresses through paradigm shifts, meaning facts must be continually subject to revision, falsification and recontextualisation - facts are less important than the underlying assumptions that legitimate them. i'm only being pedantic because i'm nearing the end of a degree where i can't avoid learning social science methodology. it's not rocket surgery, the scientific process involves: deriving a specific, falsifiable hypothesis from a general theory systematically manipulating (or in correlational or quasi-experimental research observing) a single variable within a controlled (for experimental, otherwise no control) environment interpreting whether or not it's possible to generalise results of from the tested sample to the population from which it comes ^this is the simple method of induction, supporting and disproving general principals with specific observations - it's the same in the hard sciences. If you can explain iether how the study of history could conform to these basic principals, or outline another method sufficiently systematic to be deemed scientific, not only will i mail you a silver dollar, i would pretty much guarentee your position as a founder of a new academic discipline. history is intangable, science is a method to study what is material. this is entry level stuff. the 'everything is perception' shenanigans is interesting on a 'narrowing my eyes while nodding with my hand on my chin' level, but come on, be real.

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Thank you it's interesting the way perception of time can obscure things, it makes me think of the speed photography of Alexander Klimas, which works on the same principal more at http://www.martin-klimas.de/

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this is a half hour show on ABC national's segment All in the Mind on Columbian drug burundanga, a deleriant containing scopolamine that's made from Angel's Trumpet, describing how it's used to commit crime, and what it's effects reveals about people's free will http://www.abc.net.au/rn/allinthemind/stories/2010/3092672.htm you can either download it or stream it, or skim the transcript. would be cool to hear what you guys think

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Hey guys, at the risk of revealing my naivety it would be cool to get confirmation of id on this which i found today while out at bunnings if it is a pachanoi, is it reasonable to assume it's been treated with a pestacide or other nasties?

from my experiences since starting it's effects seem cumulative, since i was young i have had what's called Raynaud's , my main motivation in starting was to experiment to see if this would help. i also found this -> http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0808718#t=articleResults , about brown adipose tissue

i feel i have to watch this video overyday

hey..i dig that you guys are into this after doing it for almost a couple of weeks i would also add that it's not exclusively your perception towards the cold which changes, one major goal is to train the heat regulating mechanism of the autonomic nervous system to function as a finely tuned instrument, the onset and strength of the thermogenisis grows each time you do it. studies say the real therapeutic effect kicks in after a minimum of 5-6 weeks, but i can say that i feel the world better for doing it, as strange as it may sound i genuinely have no desire to ever have a hot shower in the morning ever again. the links which keep appearing with Buddhist practices are encouraging, ultimate mastery of cold would be similar i think to the phenomenon of Tummo meditation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tummo#Scientific_investigation , reading about it there are stories of old Masters who would do this practice outside in the snow overnight, competing to see who could melt a circle with the greatest diameter by morning. Wim Hof ^ is supposedly a master of this technique, he is famous among other things for attempting to climb Mt everest wearing only shorts

thanks planthelper i appreciate the info i wen tout yesterday to my parents farm, searched and searched but to no avail. termite activity was there, but just not enough of the right trees. a friend sent me some photos of what to look for, she says Mallee Eucalypts are the most likely source, underground lignotubers are a response to a variety of environmental stressors, including termites. ultimately i think it's just location location, as with most flora

"The more things resist me the more rabid I get. With time, and nothing but my teeth and nails, I would rage up from the bowels of the earth to its crust, knowing full well I had nothing to gain. And when I had no more teeth, no more nails, I would dig through the rock with my bones."

have been trying to try and learn the art of finding and making my own didj, it would be an understatement to say it's a rediculously difficult enterprise. The closest i have gotten so far is but the hollowing is too extensive, it's useless just to be clear it's illegal to harvest stems in most places they're likely to be found except for private land. this isn't a thread that has anything to do with locations any experiences ?

^ hahaha.. i'm back staying with my parents over the mid semester uni break, the technicalities will have to be worked out when i get back. imagining it now it could actually be romantic. morning after a night out 'shower together darl?', 'ok', then BAM. foetal position - 'AAARRRGGH!'. all the while i would be super habituated, and it will be business time, if you get me. MMMhhmm. unless you mean solo man time, that's just sick why would you say that.

in the literature it seems habituation is key in producing the effect i like the challenge for exsample in the Buddhist perspective it's not a 'thing' that bothers a person, ultimately there are no 'things, it's the person's perception of the thing which is bothering them this to me has been a killer opportunity to work this idea, cold showers are intense experience, but it's not harmful, it's actually tremendously benificial, but being able to do it involves retraining your perception. it hasn't stopped being cold or intense, but the more i do it i can definitely say the easier it is. it forces you to realise that aversive physical intensity doesn't universally mean detrement. the only way i would describe it is i feel kind of battle hardened, a feeling of being ready for anything

have recently started cold shower regime, can't speak highly enough of the positive effects Here is a collection of info which i've found explaining the basics " The underlying premise of cold showers is that briefly and somewhat regularly exposing the body to certain kinds of natural stresses (like cold water) can enhance health. The advantage over hot showers seems to stem from a modification of the “sensory functions of hypothalamic thermoregulatory centres to lower heat loss and produce less heat during cold exposure.” The researchers concluded that regular cold showers produce “metabolic, hypothermic and insulative” kinds of adaptation to cold temperatures. ...Some of the specific benefits? A German study examined oxidative stress associated with cold showers and found that cold-showerers showed an “adaptive response” through enhanced “antioxidative defense” as measured by several blood markers. When we hop in to the cold water our blood vessels tighten instantly draining them of blood making you feel numb. When you climb out of the water, your blood vessels will open up again, allowing new blood carrying fresh oxygen to your muscles, which will invigorate them leaving you feeling refreshed and ready to take on a new day. Other research highlighting cold water’s effect on immunity shows an increase in both the number and activity of peripheral cytotoxic T lymphocytes in those regularly exposed to cold therapies. " positive effects on the endocrine system and hormone production, from what i've read, also seem fairly substantial I think in the end it’s all about upregulating the body, taxing it in a healthy, natural way like intermittent fasting. Again, i've only been doing it for < a week, but benifits to circulation, better skin, increased oxygenation producing clearer mind, heightened concentration and increased energy, it's worth it.there are alot of claims out there -> http://www.cold-showers.com/a-doctors-view-on-cold-showers/ about it's effects, but from what i've read so far the scientific basis seems solid. Do you guys have any experience with this or cold water therapy?

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