Also.. If you like shpongle, have you checked out Simon Posford, and Infinity Project (also Simon Posford) Younger brother (also Simon Posford)? Interestingly, I saw a documentry from the 70's on a tribe called the Kogi who apparently lived isolated from modern life, they referred to themselves as the older brothers living in harmony with the land, and modern man as the younger brother, who was running amok and going to destroy the world. In the doco, they quoted a conquistador (Rodrigo De Bastidas 1460) arriving in South America: I assure you That with the help of god I will let war on you in every place And in every way that I can And I will subject you to the yoke and obedience of the church And I will take your peasants and women and your children And I will make them slaves And I will do all the evils and harms which I can Which also happens to be the words to track three of A flock of beeps. I was amused.