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Ahh thanks for showing your ignorance/arrogance. I asked questions, that if you know what you're saying you know, should be easy to answer. I don't think you've actually thought this through since you can't provide any evidence to back up what you're saying, not even any court cases for any of the people who have been done for selling caapi. Do I have to pay a fee or make some sort of sacrifice to get info from you? Sorta like how Scientology and most religions work, don't question those in power...just swallow what you're told.

Huh? If laws are written and miss something they amend them after so the next person doesn't get off so easy, especially if there's a big media storm over it. Of course the magistrate has to let you off if they can't prove beyond reasonably doubt that you broke the law. My argument still stands, I haven't found an exemption for it in The Poisons Standard. Passionflower is okay to be sold as a food according to the TGA. So is that what you're getting at, if it's listed somewhere else as okay then that overrides the other law? https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2021C00098/Html/Text#_Toc62808226 Under Schedule 9 "HARMALA ALKALOIDS except in herbs, or preparations, for therapeutic use: a) containing 0.1 per cent or less of harmala alkaloids; or b) in divided preparations containing 2 mg or less of harmala alkaloids per recommended daily dose." So to prove someone was selling harmala illegally they'd have to test it right? What if the caapi strain is really low on harmala alkaloids or non existent? So you're saying that if they can't identify the material as cannabis they'll do more testing to see the THC content? For liquids maybe but never heard of that for plant material. If a botanist can only identify 70% of the material seized as cannabis then that's what you get charged for, I think it's still counted as a whole, but the judge takes that into account. Where's all the people that have been charged for it? Got any court references? Surely there'd be a heap by now.. You haven't really said much to paint it as a black and white, still very grey to me. I get not wanting it to be sold on your platform and no worries, but at least be clear about your rules before shutting people up, I didn't even get notifications for the first post so of course I'd post it again. FB has even cracked down on how people sell things, can't list anything that's not food approved as a food, can still sell things as whatever though, just don't go making claims along side it.

Oh yeah and Torsten if you check your messages you'll see I actually asked you about this. So it's not like I haven't tried to get clear answers before posting in the fb group.

Dude P.Incarnata has harmine in it but is legal to sell as a food so your reasoning for caapi being illegal doesn't add up. You didn't seem to want to discuss these types of discrepancies though and tried putting me down instead. Lol oh ffs here we go again, your comprehension skills really suck. Here's what I said: "You can have a pound of weed on the plant and you won't be charged for a pound, you'll be charged for one plant, so I think you're missing my point. Poppy seed is sold in stores, never said poppy pods were legal. Plenty of people use poppy seed for their opium fix, but I can see your argument about them being viable seeds. It'd be nice if the legislation was laid out to read. It's obviously not so black and white with caapi which is why you haven't shared any links, I mention poppies and you're all over it though.. I've searched the forums and get about as much info as you are giving me" Hahaha this actually tells me a lot about you and your beliefs, thanks for sharing that. " In Australia, the harmala alkaloids are scheduled substances, including harmine and harmaline; however, the living vine, or other source plants are not scheduled in most states. In the State of Queensland as of March 2008,[9] this distinction is now uncertain. In all states, the dried herb may or may not be considered a scheduled substance, dependent on court rulings. " ...........so yeah....not so black and white. As far as I can tell if it's not to be consumed and not sold to be consumed then there isn't an issue. If you make a brew or extract then that's where things become illegal, same as scoring poppies vs them just growing. Cannabis leaf, plants and THC are all separate in the scheduling and if you get done for weed they charge you accordingly, you don't get charged for the amount of THC in the leaves, which is the reasoning Torsten seems to be using.

So what's the verdict, anyone seen either of these plants in circulation?

Find a property to use and organize your own meet, greet and trade day. Spend the money you would otherwise spend on plants on food for the day, everyone is happier with a full belly.

Once upon a time I was seeing loph and tricho seeds for sale at prices like $150 for 1000, or $50 for 300. What's the go, how come this isn't the case anymore or where can I find hot deals like those these days?

That's a lot of seed, I was mainly interested in the pure pach's, and even then there's a fair few different crosses, so would need a few people, but yeah I'd be keen if enough others were keen to split it.

Thanks very much

Unfortunately he hasn't been online since November so what to do?

haha which circle jerk is that? It'd be nice if it was the one where people sell 1000 lw seeds for $150

125x seeds for $35 including postage. I have 5 Catha Edulis trees growing so you will receive 25 seeds from each tree (125 seeds total). Not sure of the variety. Postage will be in a padded envelope. Picture 2 is of germinated seeds after being left in the bag I used to collect some seeds about a week before, inside of bag was slightly moist from the rain and left outside in shade. Unfortunately pics won't upload without making the pics smaller so I'm not gunna worry about it unless someone wants to see the mother plants. If you're interested message me here or email me [email protected]

You might get some luck from your local markets if there are people there who sell tube stock. Saw 3 vendors just recently who has several varieties of acacia's available. Maybe even your local landcare might be able to help.

also on the hunt

Where's good to trade/buy plants besides here? These forums seem to be dying. Tried to join the SAB group on fb but been waiting for over a week to be accepted, messaged Torsten as well to no avail. Seems like a bit of a circle jerk if it's that hard to join, so looking for alternatives.

It's all good. I probably did come off a bit harsh with the 'circle jerk' comment but that's just an easy way to describe things and I'm the first to admit if I'm part of one, like being at a party full of guys and calling it a sausage fest, there's no malice intended, just call it like I see it. Most differed opinions come with backlash so it's to be expected really. Wile E. Peyote sums up what's happening with the forums nicely, not just this one. I'm sure someone will come up with a new platform that beats fb and even traditional forums, I was just hoping there'd be one already happening. Maybe 'stagnant' is more accurate than 'dying', either way there's no noticeable growth and the activity that used to be here has quietened down a lot. It's not a jab at these forums, just pointing out what I see. Dying can be a very slow process for some, and it can be seen way ahead of time through their actions, or lack of it. People in society don't seem to like to admit these things so they can be remedied, instead they take offense and push away what they view as 'naysayers'. I find it's best to take all criticism on board, learn from it and move on. Some might seem to exaggerate, but that's their perspective, and one's own perspective is quite complex. Not making assumptions is the best way to avoid conflict.

I'm here for the trades mostly, so that's where my contribution goes. Nice analogy though. "Qanon, Trump and anti-vaxxing" along with corona, masks, censorship and politics being shoved in my face are all reasons to stay off facebook, it should be obvious by now that I have a distaste towards it.

Most wouldn't even have a clue they're being ripped off, especially with seed. For you not to think it's suss that a seller not answer a few simple questions is a bit off, maybe ignorance sits better with you than with me. Only reason I sent a message is coz I honestly thought it was more of a closed off group, hence me letting you know I've been an SAB member for years. Nice to know you keep note of messages you ignore, makes me feel better about posting here. 5 people out of 7000 aren't afraid to communicate with randoms, or maybe you've been faster at accepting people, who knows. These forums are great but still dying, both can be had at the same time. Haha nice to see how far your thoughts stretch when you judge someone. Ha I haven't been shitting anywhere round here. It's a tree of knowledge and a good layout for it, but there's nowhere near as much contributing as there used to be, hence dying.

"cater to your whims" lol I never asked you to cater for me, and I can't see what would make you obliged to cater to anyone's whims. There's no rush at all, do it in a month if you want for all I care, I've already started looking elsewhere, but like others have stated, there's not much to choose from, hence having to ask here in the first place. Indeed but less active users and less to trade. I haven't had any bum trades through the internet yet, you can tell the suspects from a mile off after a few questions. Not so much a circle jerk but plenty of potential bum traders. First guy I questioned about his seeds wouldn't show me pics of his mother plants, tells me seeds are fresh but won't say how old exactly when asked. So gave minimal info and dodged questions but expected me to work off his reputation in the group. Seemed dodgy as.

Over a week...closer to 2 weeks. It's not like you're not active there, or here. Wasn't hard to make a comment on here, same as it wouldn't be hard to accept hoards of people through facebook at a time. So in reality the "Karen" comment falls on you, since you're being over the top about something that is perfectly reasonable, and my circle jerk comment is rings more true... 90% of groups have accepted my request within a week, if they don't then it's usually a closed community, hence circle jerk.

Have khat seeds or caapi cuttings to trade, or money of course.

Khat seeds

MCT coconut oil, CBD oil (full spectrum is best or even THC is good if can't get CBD on it's own), hemp seed oil, hemp seeds, aloe vera gel straight form the plant (no skin or sap), lugol's iodine and microdosing mushrooms will all help feed the brain nutrients it needs. If I had PD I'd be into Ginko Biloba too along with diatomacious earth, good for clearing parasites so will indirectly help imo.

I have a heap of dried vine, PM'd you.

I have a heap of seeds on the way. I'll let ya know when I have some ready, maybe a few weeks. Not 100% sure of the strain, white or red, but will investigate more.