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  1. mutant

    PSYCHOACTIVE AMANITAS

    I cannot believe that people take Hawk seriously. Still I have seen people in forums that do {amazing! , or just blurred sense of reality / a tendency to believe in any kind of enlightment/claim? ]. Hawk deserves to be referenced as one of the most idiotic sites on psychoactives. I don't know if he is a fraud or just 'crazy', propably both. Hawk IS himself a 'vendor' - he just doesn't sell the material. He sells his knowledge on DVD and book, he sells his self proclaimed enlightment, he sells sessions with Amanitas [that is, IF you buy the book and DVD and make a huge depositin his bank acount], T-shirts, posters etc. There is one other thing about Hawk, though, which isn't enjoyed as often as it should. Read his site like you would read a series of really funny jokes. It gived the read another dimention! I even found somewhere his DVD. A treat! Your loss. The are many diamonds in the pile
  2. mutant

    PSYCHOACTIVE AMANITAS

    Cool! I remember your post. It wasn't recent, I sent you an PM but didnt; have reply. This guy has written a great review in Erowid as well, it's propably older. Hey, Vert, I hope I didn't say something that bothered you. I kind-of like you... , although I admit I understand little of your post.. you australians have pretty special slang. Here it is
  3. mutant

    PSYCHOACTIVE AMANITAS

    You are doing OK, Vert, keep it up! 1) var. formosa is indeed supposed to be less potent. 2) there is also some evidence that the samples earlier in the season, f.e. summer {august usually} are prefered, propably due to potency as well. This of course is very generic as potency varies according to many factors anyway. The muscarias in my area [south greece] fruit in October-November - very seldom is there a summer fruiting], but they don't seem to induce any muscarinic [muscarine] effects at all. I have read in some lycaeum article that the automn specimens have more muscarine-like efects, but europeans seem to be lucky on that. Any way, muscarias seem to be quite 'easy' mushroon, so it will grow in various habitats. It really takes some good research to form some kind of opinion, but, hey, some things are quite clearer if you try to test this guy's [in the huge quote] ideas. I had reached the same conclusions before reading his opinions, just because because I was very careful and worked my way up. =================== Now you're talking man! Some times less is more! This questions cannot really be touched by 'science' or any 'objective' form of investigation, but I am trying to answer [or play with, if you like] these questions myself. That is, I don't limit my thoughts in "Amanitas VS Psilo-shrooms". My train of thought also includes various concepts. The majority thing isn't really so important for me as is what kind of people prefer the so called classic psychdelics to other psychdelics as dissociatives { I mean, yeah, they're more, but WHY? - is it only that 'classics' they're more enjoyable and visual} ? Note that I place all classics [ergolines, phenethylamines and tryptamines] in the same class , and we can accept the other class having Salvia divinorum, ketamine, A.muscaria and other dissociatives. Better like that , no? Link to the thread subject: Note that the above mentioned quote and also my own experience do not involve really dissociative experiences [with amanitas, that is], although there is some slight such character, especially arriving at a MID dose. My last experience with Amanitas which was my first bioessay of Amanita pantherina was a MID dose and in some point [it lasted about one minute or something] it reminded me of salvia space [yes, Salvia divinorum is also legal in Greece]. Well, you will find that for some people the classics are not so enjoyable always, or that they're somewhat prissy and fragile and sensitive experiences [regardless of the rewarding character they usually have and the characteristic extatic feelings and sensations they evoke]. The concept of fear and uneasiness felt by some is very varied and important as well. Interestingly enough, you might notice that many 'classics' enthusiasts are put off, scared, unnerved by dissociatives like salvia, and even from short-acting tryptamines smoking. So to [over] simplify and conclude, there seem to be characteristics in character / personality of people that maybe cause the preferance to the one or other class - or, less clumpsy said, maybe there is something that makes each class more friendly to certain people for some reasons... What I am searching is the reasons, not that they are necessarily there, just beacuse I search for them! The matter is more psychoanalytic [my cup of tea], philosophical, etc. This realm is no place for certainties, but mostly hypothesis, and yeah, it demand some objective and clear thought.... Any opinions?? [we're going a little off topic or is it just my impression?] PS: BTW, for me, A.muscaria [and pantherina] are indeed flavor enhancers. I have read of others considering them as appetite supressors, while I have found the opposite. In any case, they surely effect the appetite/
  4. mutant

    PSYCHOACTIVE AMANITAS

    Shit, mate, I am pretty sure that it's pretty obvious my last post was ironic/sarcastic. I just tried to ramble a bit, it seems to work around here, and it worked for you anyway ;) No worries. I didn't pay, sure, you offered ;) I don't give a damn about images. I enjoy entering a forum and provoke people a bit just to see what psychedelic theists are on to, and spot the ones who are gonna be offended and question their psychedelic beliefs. Provokativ manners make it a lot faster some times... No hurry for the cactus. I am currently building a structure for my vines to be able to climb on my house's roof, sowing new seeds, arranging plants in pots etc. =============== TO THE POINT: Hey, reshroomED, where did you find that 'old post from usenet' ? I think I have read this guys opinions on Amanita mucaria twice more, once in Erowid, once in some guy's post in E-dot . I am trying to spot this guy for some time! Nice link also about that lady that cooks Amanitas and also points out that the Amanita family has some of the most delicious edible mushrooms - but I doubt that muscaria taste will be any worth it after 2 or 3 boilings... it IS delicious , but if you wash it away.... you never know anyway...
  5. mutant

    PSYCHOACTIVE AMANITAS

    no problems with your decisions, stylish writing, obligations, time schedule. it's just... I am never wrong.. I can never be wrong... even when I clearly admit my mistake - well, especially then.. Just making my point with fewer words than yours, mate, you already know that. Different style, no? oh fuck! and... what do I do now... how do I make up for this? Shit! Now, what about my name in this forum and the global comunity... What about that cactus seedling Jono promised? I am very sad the aroma of your exrements on my feeling is very unpleasant... almost like the side-effects of psychoactive amanitas] My whole future is destroyd maaaaaaaaan What about that link for Erowid? Can someone give an official reference for muscimol law in Australia? [you were right on this one... a get a bit lazy sometimes, well most of the times, especially if dealing with stuff [law] I don't really get passionate about... say.. like you and amanitas ] .. Here I found that it's illegal , now you HAVE to tell me that link, or else I will tell everyone the chickenshit you are and are afraid to have a little fun on freshly harvested Amanita phalloides... Come on! Hawk from SomaShamans has done it , after he eliminated the toxins with his soma mumbo-jumbo ceremony
  6. mutant

    PSYCHOACTIVE AMANITAS

    hey Vert, nice you see you're behaviour is stupid... fuck man, in my universe saying that hunting for psilocybes is pretty safe, while hunting for Amanita muscaria can be dangerous is a stupid , misleading and DANGEROUS statement. Even if the psilies are recognised safely [and not some Galerina is picked instead, or some of the countless poisonous LBMs over the world] they bare dangers, mental ones, like every psychoactive. I never suggested that anyone should ingest anything. And you can be sure that I don't do it in my real life either. I am not really in protecting any 'name' of Amanitas , but the thing is you're not really into 'why am I writing this'? Arguing to protect the newbs, huh? Do you even believe some newb would go through your dense ramblings? You could say what you said with a few words. Too long posts for something you know nothing about! If you're afraid of the effects of Amanitas muscaria , let it be, don't be the usual psychedelic believer dick suggesting we should be after the safe psilies [or any of the classical psychedelics for that matter] instead of going for the 'dangerous' and unknown Amanita muscaria. Bullshit. Amanita muscaria CAN be dangerous, as well as every substance. Danger, is relative, though... Yeah, people usually like psilies more, so what? I just gave some personal experience and facts on the mushrooms that the thread title suggests, and I have thoroughly studied and bioessayed. The tendency to find name variations of the same species of mushrooms is often a mycologist's game regarding mostly fame and void ambitions. The physical evolution explains the variations and slight differences in every organism. Amanita muscaria, whatever the var. , more or less carries the psychoactive properties of Amanita muscaria, ibotenic acid and muscimol. And it's the one mushroom that is more easily ID'd. Of course, idiocy is unlimited, so someone could make a mistake. PS: Can someone give me some reference / citation / site about the legal status of muscimol in Australia, so that the erowid data is updated?
  7. mutant

    PSYCHOACTIVE AMANITAS

    OK, there is a big misunderstanding here. I regard this forum a forum of relatively high level of users and knowledge. It was my mistake that I used the genus name Amanita in general. In all my previous posts I was refering to Amanita muscaria, a very distinct in appearance mushroom that fruits all over the world. See link for more A.muscaria on Wiki Some Amanitas are deadly toxic with toxins for which no antidote exists to day... Vertmorpheus took in kind of.. personally. We can share his enthusiasm. And .. go on... Amanitas is one of the most interesting genus of mushrooms. Why? They contain some of the deadliest [infact, THE deadliest] species in the world {Amanita phalloides AKA death cap LINK and other white-capped Amanitas}, some of the most tasteful {Amanita ceasarea - a european species, Amanita rubescens} and the infamous psychoactive Amanitas, Amanita muscaria being the most known for its beauty alone. The last groups consists of the aforementioned Amanita muscaria, and also A.pantherina a brown species, similar but smaller, which has a few look-alikes like the edible A.spissa[raw toxic], and some other, more rare. Except from A.ceasarea, which is eaten raw by many in salads or on it's own, all edible Amanitas are toxic raw and have to be parboiled or cooked properly before eaten. In general it is a genus of high toxicity. The dangerous species like {A.phalloides} toxins are not destroyd by heating of cooking. Liver damage is almost certain and death is propable. but hey, talking about muscarias, mate they sell them in every fuckin e-shop in the world - except from Autralia and maybe Israel. Amanita muscaria's chemistry is now fully understood. There have been many mistakes in A.muscaria research. in the past. Unfortunately, people who haven't really studied a lot, might even replicate the mistakes of the past. I don't blame them. It's not a simple matter. Amanita muscaria and , even more, Amanita pantheria [much more potent than A.muscaria] are indeed a difficult material to work with, with long-lived shamanic or other use and many contradictions for the researcher to stumble on. PS: It's really very hard for someone to die off A.muscaria. But if ingested for food, especially pantherina, by mistake then the surprise is going to be great. Imagine yourself thinking you have been poisoned by mushrooms on a substance that has been said that virtually amplifyies the emotions. Not a great time, huh? ingesting too much, even knowing their power is also often unnerving. A.pantherina is extremely potent some times. I have found that it can be more than 4 times as potent as A.muscaria , unlike 2x that I have read on the net. PS2: What the fuck is "kefuffle" ???
  8. mutant

    PSYCHOACTIVE AMANITAS

    Alright, interesting! Amanitas are over-estimated or over-hyped by idiots and/or people who do have profit off their selling [they call me vendor], but for someone who is basically informed that is not the case, no? I also think that it might have something to do with Amanitas not being native to Australia, as they are not really dangerous - sure they can be scary if you don't know what you're doing, or even knowing, at big doses... Even though I will not propose to anyone to ingest any illegal psychoactives [well, illegal in Australia anyway], I really do have to say that Amanitas [according to Siberian people, I think, who reportedly replaced Amanita inebriation with alcohol] are less toxic/damaging than alcohol [no reference available at the moment] - and also preferable, according to tha same source, but that's another case... Moreover, amanitas not only do they have NO hangover, but on the contrary the bring out a pleasant afterglow tha day/days after when they're not mixed with something else, like alcohol f.e. and finally that they're not really dangerous, just very hard to work with, as a material. People who can drink a bottle a hard liquer or a case of beers in one sitting and take pleasure on it, or even have 'insights' [joy, passion, philosophy, great thoughts, empathy, unity feelings etc] , and that includes me as well, could find something worthy in amanitas and as well take interest on them. Or especially those people ;)
  9. mutant

    PSYCHOACTIVE AMANITAS

    Do you have any facts, or it's only what you have heard of amanitas, being liver-toxic. I believe so too, I have heard some stuff like this, but never a really good source. It might be even more dangerous for casual alcohol drinkers, but I don't believe it's so toxic to prevent you from having a couple of experiences. And I am quite sure it's less toxic than alcohol for the liver... or not??
  10. mutant

    PSYCHOACTIVE AMANITAS

    Wow! I find it really strange that muscimol is illegal in Australia. I only thought they were somewhat controlled in Israel only. But I just read in Erowid this is also disputed. Since I am not from Australia, I have some experience with Amanitas. I also sent erowid a note about Australia legal status of this ancient 'entheogen'. Some general notes from my general knowledge: Amanita muscaria likes all mixed woods, not some specific tree only. You also have another candidate, Amanita pantherina which is much more 'dangerous' to experiment, due to extreme potency. A proper preparation is indeed necessary, but ibotenic acid isn't really dangerous [though it has been proven neurotoxic through direct injection to rats brains] - indeed it is slightly nauseous and thus the traditional preparation aimed in the conversion of ibotenic acid to muscimole.... What often causes additional unpleasant side effects is muscarine which is present in minor amounts, and it seems some areas produce muscarine richer muscarias. Amarican species f.e. seem to have enough muscarine to sometimes cause sweating, extreme salivation & muscle twitching. Amanitas are highly variable mushrooms. They're often considered unpleasant and unwanted. They demand a careful approach. I can say they're not for the hasty and they're certainly NOT a replacement for the illegal psilocybes. Feel free to PM me for more
  11. I don't know how many of you might know / have heard about this film. Sometimes it is compared with Peter Jackson's early splatter films, but it certainly is something pretty different. The director , Philip Brophy hasn't done many films [actually, only BODY MELT is somewhat widely known, a cult fame, the other two are 100% unknown] but he is supposedly active in australians experimental video / audio scene, also does soundtracks. BODY MELT is a social satire, a splatter, a comedy. Seemingly shallow, but, yet, so deep and serious. A cynical look at a society of fast solutions, harsh commentary on drug-cultures and mentality of mind-altering drugs. I put it in here, becasue it's australian, it's a masterpiece [in my opinion], it's funny and meaningful and, last but not least, it has reference in psychoactivity and mind-altering substances... from an IMDB user review
  12. mutant

    BODY MELT (1993) - PHILIP BROPHY

    Troma Germany? they did something in germany? which town are you from? I love germany especially berlin... I lived in berlin for 6 months in 2002 ;) troma rulezzzzzzzzz - but so does MODY MELT
  13. mutant

    BODY MELT (1993) - PHILIP BROPHY

    I have writen a review too! I found it to be both funny , but also serious, in a rather pervert/weird way... Trashy, hmmm, OK, have you seen Troma? Class of nuke em high anyone? ;) I suppose the comment on actress/actors are because of the choice of the cast [famous australian actors of soap/family TV shows, huh??] I wish I could feel this element myself too! ;)
  14. mutant

    free cacti for newbies!!!

    Hi, thanks for the offer, I already sent you a PM ... nice to be here
  15. mutant

    Mealy Bugs

    Wow, heck! mealy bugs in the middle of dec! What kind of weather do you have in australia now????? I easily confronted my mealybugs with a simple home-made mix, even at the time they had reproduced. Indeed, for me, spider mites were far worse, even though I suspect the species of each are important also. mix is: 3/4 water, 1/4 blue alcohol plus few drops of concentrated green dish-wash liquid [soap]. Spray the fuckers over and under the leaves. I had nice results with the mealybugs. One spraying seemed to deactivate them [it might be advisable though you check the mixture first in small quatities, to see if each individual plant tolertes it]. one additional maybe 15-20 days later... I easily healed my brugmansias off meally bugs in no time.... But do monitor you plants... If some does try it, tell me what you think!
  16. mutant

    Coleus Dosage and experiences

    Ok maybe I got a bit drifted above, sorry if I sounded like I some purist of some kind or preachy. Of course there are multiple paths, and maybe sometimes some are inclined more to certain types of paths.
  17. mutant

    Coleus blumei

    You are right. The plant literally makes flowers all the time. Some third or half it is seed. I already store seeds for the spring.
  18. mutant

    Coleus Dosage and experiences

    First of all I want to state that people who experiment with not-so-popular plants aren't always teenagers desparately trying to get high off their garden And thanks for the welcome. Second, when experimenting with a controversial plant one does not have pre-set expectations of standard effects, even though most [if not all] postive references report a mild action, not an overwhelming one. that said, Vertmorpheus, and despite of your dismissing, you seem to have recognised some activity, only not 'worthwhile', in your opinion. You speak of huge quantities ingested [orally] - I suggest mild psychoactivity and synergy at smoking 2 medium leaves. From a leaf 100 times smother than that of Salvia splendens which by the way takes up triple the dose to sedate. Sometimes individual needs might be more interested in quality rather than intensity of experience. Also, the 100-120 fresh leaves story is something that I have read over the net more than once. Is it the same guy? Who knows. Heck if its a placebo I would like to it be see it going on being mild active or finally being proven a placebo. Only I want to see it with my 'positive' material. About the active agent being a diterpene, that is not certain. It is reported that diterpenes [salvorin-like] agents have been found in Coleus blumei, but it's not proven they're the psychoactive ones. Although I understand a S.divinorum-like wash/extraction would be the wisest first attempt of extraction. I also liked this quote, propably in a curious way - the quote sparked another idea cooking in my brain. There seems to be a connection in this plant: sun intake and colouring. More sun is supposed to make the colours be more beautiful - yet the plant preferably likes part-shade. Here, I will say it, only a suggestion, mind you, not a certainty: It might be that more sun speeds up leaf colouring and wears it off faster [does the content is enough in small or medium leaves exposed to sun?]. Coleus leaves are long living. Big old 'mature' leaves have more hairy texture, they're more fat. It is also been suggested on the net that big old leaves should be used. So thanx for the quote, even if you didn't go for it, you helped my speculation. Heck I don't know all these common names [plain green coleus?] you mention, please give latin names, I am into cultivating rare, interesting salvias and exotic strange plants. All comments are welcomed! About certain individuals sensitivity to certain agents or all agents in general: But of course! All kinds of sensitivities might occur. Can you talk a bit further on that? You mean the mixture had s.splendens in to ease it down, but why whould a hardhead need a sedative to go into it? Maybe because of the hardline [x?] amount he'd go for? I remember reding an retrospective experience report , it was a couple that found many huge plants growing wild. The above mentioned effects were reported. Coleus blumei seemingly is native to the island where the experience was had, in a vaccation {Iowa? - not sure}.
  19. mutant

    What are these?

    thnx m8!
  20. mutant

    More mesembrine containing plants

    Oh, it is Trout and he also includes notes about mesembrine containing plants a well. Will post more when I get read 'em a bit more.
  21. mutant

    What are these?

    What species would pan subs be?? What do you reffer to as 'subs'? Teonanacatl mushrooms in general? It also looks like Panaeollus foeniscii. Getting to know Galerinas is always a good idea, I think, even if you're not in the woods. Galerinas are relatively small, wood eaters [got to dig to check this out] and with rusty brown gills and spore print. Careful hunting! Well this thread got me searching my books! I am a mushroom enthusiast and pick over 40 species for food, but tend to avoid LBMs. I think I get what you call Pan sub, P.subbalteatus, no? I am also going on a two day forray with lots of other mushroom enthousiasts, and I figured I just might come across some dung swelling species. Lots of cows round and in that forest we are going... Oh, would Panaeollus foeniscii be of any interest?
  22. mutant

    More mesembrine containing plants

    Just a note. Indeed some delospermas contain psychoactive agents, but they seem to contain DMT-like tryptamines, not mesembrine.
  23. mutant

    Obscure ethnobotanicals

    I believe Coleus blumei is indeed active, but with so many ornamental hybrids out there it just might difficult to spot the right one. Check this out for more on Coleus http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/inde...mp;#entry161778 The popular ornamental Salvia Splendens seems to be psychoactive as well. Anxiolytic, emo-numbing, sedating effects have been reported. A friend of mine also confirmed that. There is evidence that other Salvias are indeed psychoactive, but not necessarily in the way S.divinorum is. Salvia superba, Salvia coccinea, a.o. are prime suspects at the time! And, yeap. Poison Hemlock is something too toxic to be useful, but there seems to be indeed a psychoactivity and therapeutic reports, as suggested by Wiki
  24. mutant

    Coleus blumei

    Hi. I suspect the coloured leave coleus in apothecary's photos isn't the original Coleus blumei. Countless hybrids exist. I suggested some things about Coleus in this thread http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/inde...mp;#entry161778
  25. mutant

    Coleus Dosage and experiences

    Hello everybody! This is my first post here, Corroboree the second foreign enthobotanical cummunity I attend. I havne't read much of the forum, but I liked the 'air' and quality of it. I chose to re-enlive an old thread for the sake of info exchange and of giving hints to the future researchers. COLEUS BLUMEI =================== First of all, where has the 'rumour' started off? I believe it is the refference from the classic book Plants of the gods. In there it is stated that the Mazatecs considered Coleus blumei as the child [el nene] or goschild [el ahijado] in their sage taxonomy, where Salvia divinorum was the mother [el hembra] . It is also mentioned that Coleus blumei was used in the same way as S.divinorum [chewing/quidding]. There is also mention to Coleus pumilus [the father, el macho] {page 165} In the front botanical index of the book {page 39}, it is also stated that diterpenes have been found in the Coleus species of interest, propably leading to popular belief that the active agents in Coleus might be diterpenes. Note that no 'direct' indication of psychoactivity is reported apart from the fact that the natives consumed the fresh leaves. Coleus forskolii is often mistaken for these two Coleus spp. C.forskolli seems to to be used medicinal and sought after the substance forskolin, but that's not our case here. ============================ Now on to the net facts. Some people do have confirned the psychoactivity of certain Coleus blumei strains, me and some friends being among them. Smoking plain leaf material [a couple of leaves] seems to have mild psychedelic effects on some individuals, while others report a mild psylocybin action ingesting 100-120 freshly picked leaves [various positive reports on the net]. Needless to say, other dismiss any action, maybe ignoring that Coleus blumei is a vastly hybridized species. I was given such a plant - it remarkably resembles the plant depicted in Plants of the gods and is propagated very easily with cuttings. It has differences from some 'Coleus blumei' I have seen both online and in my area, used ornamentally. I also believe that the Coleus depicted here in apothecary's post is largely different than the interesting one morphologically. ======================= The amount of 100 leaves eaten hasn't yet been determined as being posititve, but my friend Swim, who happens to be an avid MJ smoker, has positively determined obvious synergistic effect with coleus leaves + MJ and even reported to have worked positively of a bad "sleepy" batch of MJ. The coleus leaves sustituting half of tobacco smoke made the joints much more euphoric, stimulating effect for that particular strong but sleepy batch. He has had mild but always positive results. What I want to say, is that for someone to experiment with Coleus, he must first find the right Coleus. I believe I do and I personally am convinced for this plant's psychoactivity. I will report more if the oral way is used. IDENTIFICATION I will also post two links to suggest which plant is more identical to mine and that depicted in the aforementioned book. http://www.plantoftheweek.org/week249.shtml This first one is not the interesting one. The colours are more dull. greens are dull, reds also. I have seen such plants to develop a crawling habit, branches growing also horizontaly. Also, some stems are not plain green, but sometimes in darker colours like purplish. http://www.linnaeus.nu/Bibliotek/vaxt.asp?idnr=260 now this is more likely to be the one. The colours are bright, greens are light and bold , reds bright . Here , the new growth is developing only vertically and the stems are light green. The original Coleus blumei can be quite a high plant. Feel free to ask questions ! Glad to be here
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