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  1. Yah, I see what you mean..

    A bit off-topic but how about this:

    Shade grown plants are said to be more potent by some, but aren't shade grown plants almost always significantly skinnier than sun grown? Cacti grown in the sun grow faster, and have a thicker and more bulbous growth right? So maybe the alkaloid content for a given section of sun vs shade grown growth of the same clone of cactu is the same, but by weight the shade grown plant will be more potent because that same amount of alkaloid is contained in a much lighter chunk of cactus...

    In other words, maybe the genetics of the cacti tell it to produce a certain amount of alkaloid either over a certain amount of time, or at a certain ratio per vertical growth... So the thickness or mass of the cactus is irrelevent because that particular clone will only produce X amount of alkaloids...


  2. With due respect I think qualitative bioassay can be very telling, if done by the same person..

    In my experiment above for instance, a bioassay on 12" of the same plant/section prepared in both ways could tell the experimenter if there was a dramatic difference or not - the specific alkaloid differences could not be measured, but if doing it one way produced a dramatically stronger or weaker experience I think that's valid...


  3. Has anyone though about de-spinning the cactus, and then let it sit for a month or two?

    If the stress=alkaloid production this would of course be terribly stressful for the cactus, having to callous all those areoles...

    I don't know if I'd have the heart to do that personally, but it would be a very good experiment to show wether or not physcial stress by cutting = alkaloid production...

    You'd take a couple 12" cuts from the same plant, and let them each sit for a month after cutting, one despinned and the other not, then eat them and see if there was an appreciable difference...


  4. Ok I've heard 1. that TBM's grow very slowly, and 2. that TBM's grow very fast

    I have some of the B clones, the clumping variety, and they seem to be growing slowly - they only have a few offsets each though...

    I have a couple A clones, the long and mostly spineless type, and they seem to be growing slowly as well - they are young too, only several inches tall...

    Is there an age or size at which point the TBM grow more quickly?

    Does one clone grow more quickly than another? I would guess if I had to the A clone would grow more quickly because it's columnar/more similar to a regular bridgesii in morphology, and that not having to produce pups all the time like the B clone would be easier...


  5. Right on, maybe I just need more vitamins...

    Like I say though I don't get headaches on any other psychs - even DOC and DOB which are otherwise long and somewhat taxing..

    The mescaline feels great during the first half of the experience too, feels very yummy and healing...

    Does anyone from the USA know where to get Tryptophan? Is it preferable to 5-HTP?


  6. Nah I don't drink beer or any alcohol - am a bit of a health nut actually, I make most all my own meals and almost always whole foods, very little processed stuff (white rice, white flour, refined sugar), haven't eaten fast food in years, that sort of thing...

    I also don't take any medications or any psychoactives regularily...

    And I almost never consume caffeine in any form...

    LOL, maybe all this is my problem actually - I quaff some pedro syrup and my system gets all bitchy on me...

    The purified mescaline extracts do the same thing to me, so I'm wondering how pure these extracts really are - someone REALLY needs to do an NMR or GCMS or whatever on these extracts because 1. The doses people are taking are way higher than those reported in classical mescaline literature as appropriate doses for certain effects, and 2. The experience can often be more or less body oriented depending on the nature of the extract...

    There could easily be some other alkaloid in there causing headaches and whatnot - and noone has really shown that mescaline is the only alkaloid that survives the A/B process...

    *** Even with clear crystal shards I'm not convinced it's pure mescaline - back when I was into Methamphetamine I'd recrystallize "ice" looking meth that I knew was nowhere pure because I could snort 50mg of it and feel like I was on 10mg - well in Isopropyl alcohol this stuff would reform back into big clear chunks that were still way impure - but the crystal structure was homogenous ***


  7. About 85% of the time I use pachanoi or bridgesii syrup or mescaline extract I develop a substantial headache on the tail end - usually about 10-12 hours into the experience - this has happened the last several experiences in fact - I've heard this is not uncommon - has anyone here experienced it?

    I'd like to hear some ideas about what causes it and how to prevent it..

    Is it diet? Usually the trippin days I have only fruit throughout the day - no MAOI contraindicated stuff...

    The headache is quite obnoxious actually, and it can be pretty strong, and feels like it's located deep in the center of my head...

    No other psychedelic does that to me, and I'm not prone to headaches in general...

    The last time it occured taking Naproxen and then Ibuprofin didn't knock it out entirely...


  8. Ok, a few more thoughts...

    1. First of all, the bugs go after and eat my potent cacti, and also the less potent pones... And a nooker posted awhile back saying a rodent was eating only his most potent lophs and trichos...

    2. Stressing the plant - I still don't get why this would theoretically increase alkaloids? Stress is unrelated to predation no? - you can deprive the plant of water or poke it with something, and this will stress it, but it isn't being eaten on... And wouldn't a healthy robust plant be more likely to be eaten on than a dried-out and unhealthy plant?

    So, if there is an alkaloid response to say, depriving cacti of water, that means the alkaloids are either serving an internal function for the plant, or created as a byproduct of a change in the way the plant is growing itself under those conditions...

    3. Shade grown=more potent theory - I read above that placing cuttings in the shade causes the inner green layer to become darker green and more concetrated in that area - maybe the cactus isn't more potent, but simply the alkaloids have migrated to the dark green layer whereas they were previously more spread out through the green,white, and core layers... Since the core/white part is often discarded and those alkaloids lost, the cactus seems more potent because now more of the existing alkaloids are in the green layer... Just an idea...


  9. For me bridgesii comes on with a bit of tremor and stimulation but within a couple hours becomes heavy and narcotic feeling, I just want to go melt in a recliner or something - If I get back and up move, I become light and "up" again, but as soon as I sit down it's a sort of dreamy melting effect - yummy...

    It also take a good 2+ hours for the visual element to bloom - there's definately some complex chemical synergy going on there, the way the high all comes together at the 2.5 hour mark or so...

    In contrast macrogonus and pachanoi syrups give me a very "zingy" stimulation, where I feel energized... Fresh pachanoi has made me dreamy feeling though....

    And I've had dark or "sinister" moments on all types of cactus and pure mescaline extracts... Sitting quietly in meditation, or just sitting and being with myself with eyes closed for 10-20 minutes after dosing to center and open the awareness has made the transition much much smoother in my experience...


  10. This is an interesting discussion!

    A couple more ideas...

    1.Why does any plant produce the nutrients it does to begin with? What are all the flavanoids and vitamins doing in fruits and vegetables?

    2. I've read somewhere that grafter lophs were just as potent as non-grafted lophs, despite the latter growing much much faster...

    3. Do the alkaloids in cactus really deter predators? Snails eat the things up, so do all sorts of little bugs... Why wouldn't all cacti (especially the non-spiny ones) produce alkaloids as defense? In other words, the alkaloids may have no relation to the function of detering predators...

    4. Could the alkaloids be doing something for the cactus that we don't understand, like electrolytes do in out own bodies?

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    And finally, a fun theory that may or may not be ridiculous:

    Maybe the cacti produce psychedelic alkaloids for survival - but not to deter predators, but because they know humans will love them for it and will henceforth keep them safely cultivated in environments much friendlier than where they came from... The really potent one's will have there lineage assured and cared for...


  11. Not sure if fast growth = lower alkaloids at all - isn't that "Eileen" plant a very vigorous one? And many lophs have less alkaloid content than Trichocereous...

    * Not sure if older growth is necessarily more potent either - I wouldn't eat a seedling but once the plant is established I don't know if it's any less potent than an old one... I have a couple very bitter young plants in my collection, and some blander old ones (and vise versa)...

    Wouldn't the alkaloids be produced just like the rest of the growth, at basically the same rate?

    And if alkaloids are there to protect the plant against predators (which is the leading theory no), then wouldn't they be produced in the highed relative concentration when the plant was young, since at that time it would be much more vulnerable to being eaten?

    I definately agree about not stressing the plant - why would stress = more alkaloids anyway? Do the alkaloids help the plant deal with stress or or something? I don't see the reasoning there...


  12. If you chop a cactus down so there's no tip, just a flat column, does it need much sunlight anymore for good pupping to happen? It should pup eventually right?

    I've got a couple I cut like that to propagate, and have put them in a very shady spot because they're an eyesore and people want to ask questions about why I have these stumps in pots... Does doing this make them more likely to pup well or less likely?


  13. Ok, here's my logic, correct me if I'm wrong:

    1. TBM doesn't flower or produce seed.

    2. So the original TBM or TBM's had to come from a T bridgesii seed, a mutation in a seedling.

    3. Therefore, all things considered equal, any strain of T bridgesii can produce it's own strain of TBM from seed.

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  14. Well how did there get to be so many strains of T bridgesii itself? I mean, there's go to be a couple dozen of them at least...

    Do monstrosus bridgesii produce seed at all? Within the seed there's genetic variation no? Don't seedlings from a batch of seeds all turn out a bit different?


  15. Ok here's what I want to know:

    There's seemingly dozens of "strains" of T bridgesii - wouldn't most any strain of T bridgesii have the potential to go monstrose? I have a couple TBM clone B's and they seem to be different strains, or at least they have different morphology...

    So there could be T bridgesii sp Baker monstrose, T bridgesii SS02 monstrose, "Eileen" monstrose etc etc - does this make sense?

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