Yeti101

March 17, 2004

I didn't realise there were two varieties, trust me to get the hairy one (off SAB actually).

I did think that as the seed pod hairs contained serotonin and irritants so did the leaf hairs.As for the irritation, the dried leaves seem to have much less effect, but this needs further work. A very well filtered extract or something like that may be the answer in this case. Who would know, there is limited information concerning the leaves available.

Be nice if it worked out well though, an easy plant to grow once you get past the germination.

Maybe I'll just have to wait for the beans.....

March 12, 2004

I've managed to get growing a large Mucuna pruriens (aka Velet bean) plant. I was going to experiment with smoking the leaves, but remembered the warning about the hairs lining the seed pod and noticed that the leaves are also covered in very fine hairs.

A preliminary test (rubbing a fresh leaf on my forearm) indicated that these leaf hairs are indeed also irritating, to myself at least.

How in the world do I smoke something that has such an efect? I would hate to think what one of those hairs would feel like in my throat or lung.

If anyone has any ideas or experience with this plant I would apreciate any advice that could be given.

Till next time....

November 7, 2003

I've had people in the past ask me if I could help find them a room in Newcastle, and at the time there was nothing available. Now some of my friends have a vacancy at their house that they are looking to fill. So here it is:

$55 per week + bills.

Close to Uni and bus routes.

LAN connection and resident computer wizard available.

Sorry that it's about two years late Tripitaka

Email or pm me if interested.

October 15, 2003

Presented my report on monday, talked for so long that my lecturer had to ask me to stop. Thanks to all for the input.

October 14, 2003

A few quick questions.

1. When can I pick the berries off my Withania somnifera plant for the seeds? (If anyone wants any of these email me, I am going to have heaps)

2. How long does dried Illinois Bundleflower root retain its potency?

October 9, 2003

Thanks heaps guys, especially electro!

September 27, 2003

Ah I can see it now "Strange correlatio between ethnogen use and monty python analogies"

September 20, 2003

I'm interested in peoples opinions on/answers to the following ideas:

1) Is doofing (or what ever you want to call it) or any part of the experience a religious experience? (By 'religious' I mean anything ranging from extra-factual knowledge to out of the everyday experiences and feelings to things that might be considered more conventional religious experience.Psychodelic experinces also count.)

If the anwer is yes, how and why?

2) What are, in you opinon the roots of doofing and raves in terms of them being a religious (depending on your viewpoint) experience? What cultures and traditions do you feel have contributed both mentally and physically to the symbolic, physical, mental or even spiritual dimension of these events as we see them today?

I'm writing a feild report for a phenomenology of religion subject at uni and while I have my own thoeries on these matters, and have collected some material already, I would really love to hear peoples thoughts on the matter so thart I can put a bit more diversity of opinion into it.

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June 4, 2003

You tell them Gomaos!!

No amount of anecdotal evidence and testimonies of visions about God affect the logical inconsistency between the way the world is and the way that christian God is supposed to be (Omnipotent, Omniscient and Benevolent).

This proble does not have to mean god does not exist, it could mean our connception of him/her/them/it is incorrect. Therefore, one or more of the characteristices have to be modified or discarded. If god is understood to be of limited power or knowledge, or to be neutral rather than good, the problem evaporates. This I suspect is not a huge problem for most people here. It is a problem however for people (conventional christians) who want to maintain all three of the aforementioned attributes.

I'm willing to admit that god is all-powerful if christians are willing to admit that god is not just responsible for the nice fun things in life, but for the undeserved suffering and gross unfairness as well. (Which they will never do.) <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_tongue.png

May 30, 2003

Thelema:
then maybe if we cease to perceive ourselves then we cease to exist.

Maybe. However some people, like Berkeley, said with reguard to minds that to exist is to perceive.

So by his view we would have to stop perceiving everything (including ourselves) to stop existing.

May 29, 2003

Oh come on, is no one willing to step up and say that if no one hears the sound then it just plain does not exist?

May 24, 2003

What's so wrong with a subjective veiw anyway? Is it not arrogance to claim that our views are anything but that?

The truth of many things that are important to us are in our experience of them: pain, pleasure, pscychodelia . If one thinks one is in pain, then one is and so forth.

But the truth about tables is not like the truth about pain, is it?

May 22, 2003

Damn right salvia is a dissociative. My gnome once managed to give himself a nasty burn on the leg with a very hot butane lighter whilst his sitter was momentarily distracted. The gnome was completely unaware of this happening.

May 22, 2003

Been trying to find info on Psychotria loniceroides for some time now, without much success. I do recall in an earlier thread that somone hade taken some sort of extract without any ill effects, here it is:

http://www.shaman-australis.com/cgi-bin/ub...t=000430#000000

Maybe t st tantra could shed some light on the situation.

Would be fantastic if P. loniceroides did turn out to be useful, it being so widespread and all.

[ 22. May 2003, 11:23: Message edited by: Yeti101 ]

May 16, 2003

I think the trick is to find new psychodelics that do not require a great deal of preparation.

May 15, 2003

I've been experimenting with heating my harvested sceletium material to get rid of the oxalic acid. How do I know when it is gone/ decarboxylated? What does it taste like if I haven't. Just want to make sure I'm doing it right before large scale ingestion.

May 15, 2003

If by scientific method you mean logic and rationale, then I agree. If you mean empirical evidence gathering and inductive reasoning, then I do not. Philsophy is what it is because there is no physical evidence for what we discuss. At best we can infer things from what we see around us.

Yes, these absolute statements are meaningless in terms of actual knowledge or information content. There is indeed a corresponding opinion that any statement about God is meaningless.

So I would agree that in some ways all this arguing about God could be seen as a form of really articulate gibberish. But that is not a uniformly accepted view, even with philosophers.

I like the link. Good one. Even attempts to guard against unpleasant effects of moral relativism, something that most linguistics driven philosophical systems do not seem to do.

But will clarification stop people from disagreeing? Some people will never accept their view as being culturally relative.

Sure, it's not a conclusive disproof. But the fact that he ain't doin much does not exactly count in his favor either. No we cannot say if God exists or not. But I think we can say that some of the things some people say about him have logical inconsistencies. And if we don't tolerate a logical inconsistency in science, then why should we in something as important as religion?

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May 15, 2003

Yeah there is that whole "controlling nature/ controlling women' parallel. I would personally argue that the feminist issue is only a part of what is going on, which seems to be control, reguardless of gender issues.

May 15, 2003

I guess it can be argued either way eh? Suffering can and should lead to emapthy and long term good. But only if the people experiencing the suffering have the will to make it happen. I would still say that it is hard to make a net gain considering the amount of suffering that occurs, but we may as well try. If shit is going to happen I don't think there is anything wrong with an attitude that it can lead to positive things. We may as well try.

In reply to Nabraxas:

quote:

to see why any statement like "there is no god because...", "there is a god because...",or "is there a god?" are meaningless interms ov genuine scientific inquirery.

I couldn't agree more. But this is philosophy, where science is too scared or too useless to tread. What is meaningful are peoples beliefs about God. I don't use this argument to prove He doesn't exist. I use it to (a) Show that the certain arguments that attempt to prove God exists are flawed and

(b)show that what some people belive about God is logically inconsistent, or just plain do not make sense.

quote:

leave the "yes/no" 2 valued Aristotalian logic system behind, visit the excluded middle & you may stop worrying over meaningless questions & answers.

Exactly. Apart from "genuine scientific inquirery" of course which requires the use of some logic. I however do no think that these questions are completely meaningless, they are just not very useful.

quote:

an atheist is as much a believer as a theist.

True, but there is a fundamentallly different basis for their beliefs. Or they would say that there is.

May 12, 2003

Ramon, I did not deny that your experience has led you to become a better person. What I would deny is that it works that way for everyone, or even the majority of people.

No I have no idea what God (who I also do not belive in) would consider fair. We cannot know what it is to be "infintetly good" but we do know that what is "good" as we understand it should be contained within it. To apeal to the idea that we cannot know what God considers to be good or fair is a cop-out of the highest order.

Yes, shit does happen. I'll admit that, but don't tell me that all the shit that does happen, happens for a reason that could be considered good. To say that it does implies that we would be worse off if these events did not take place. A quick perusal of 20th century history would seem to kick this idea in the head. Not everyone does so well out of their adversity.

May 10, 2003

Remember Ramon, that by Christian conceptions God is all-powerful (amoungst other things). Sure suffering can lead to empathy, but it does not always. It would take considerable gall (which you evidently have) to suggest that the amount of suffering is remotely proportional to the actual amount of good it does people. It would also seem a bit unfair to try to teach people a lesson by giving them crap they do not deserve.

But an all powerful God would not need to do this. He could just will that we have empathy, and so it would be. He is omnipotent after all.

Nor is the fact that God 'gave' us free will a defence. Human free will did not cause the eathquake, tsunami mudslide etc. As for people being mean to each other, an omnipotent God could give us free will and at the same time not let us be such bastards to each other, because he is God and can do whatever he wants.

'The Problem of Evil' (as this puzzle is known), poses a major problem for christianity. Either their conception of God is wrong, in which case the world makes a bt more sense, or there is no God.

As for this crap:

quote:

Thelema

using infinity I can prove I am highly significant.

In Infinite Universe any spot you choose has infinity around it.

Therefore I am the constant centre of the Universe

For one thing, the universe may not be infinite, just practically so. Secondly, what if I pick the spot, or Thelema picks it, or someone in China etc? We can't all be a the center of the universe, which suggests a logical flaw in your proof. This can be remedied by appealing to solipsism, that is "only I(Ramon) exist". Apart from making you a sociopath, this view has problems, like why are you writing this email to yourself under the guise of some other being. You don't need that, you're the center of the universe, remember.

Sarcasam, or gross anthropocentricism, I can't decide.

Yeti

May 8, 2003

Not sure, except to say that a shitload of leaves would be a bad idea, or so I have been told.

May 7, 2003

I'd love some seeds. Email or pm me to arrange something.

Also: How cold does it get where it grows near you Andrew?

May 6, 2003

Sounds interesting. I'm all for it, so long as there is a place for someone who through years of study and introspection, has no idea whatsoever what is going on, and will argue contradictory points whenever it suits him, because that is all he is good at (permanent philosohpy student here).

On the other hand, maybe the grassroots movement we are part of is better for staying under the official radar. Nothing pisses the conservatives off like a bunch of people trying to do something. Maybe we could split the coalition by infilrtating the National Party.

Yeti.

May 3, 2003

I used one, much cheaper than those listed, a few yers back. Heplful/useful, I don't know. Fun and kinda trippy, certainly.

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