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Vinca major, cilia on leaf margin.

photos a little grainy due to bad shots and size reduction, so doesn't show things like resinous margins too well, need to figure out how to use this thing.

wow nice willys and that kk339 is shit hot, need to get mine in the ground, laggin in pots due to space issue, but have a spot lined up this spring :D nice one mutant

Still fairly small and of varying sizes (and varying ages), but well established, still trying to track down various materials for their first potting on, want a really nice mix so won't be rushing it. I'm trying for good macros for diagnostic, nice stipules and glands etc, but I don't really know what i'm doing and getting these were hard enough haha, soon I guess.

Don't worry about it being silly, they are very easy mistakes to make and we all have been there and are just trying to improve ourselves, hell I cringe about some of the things I used to say or think (and often still say and think haha), and now knowing my mistakes and have moved to a different day to day understanding get frustrated at people who are at the stage that I was at, thinking how can anyone think 'xyz', a major flaw on my part that I try pick myself up on and improve. What I mean is, don't worry about embarrasing yourself or whatever, just keep an open mind and improve where you can, if people give you shit that is their problem, not yours, it really takes time and honestly no one will be able to get it all in their lifetime, even top experts fuck up all the time, it's a long journey about constantly improving. Also use it or lose it, if you don't keep up the practice, you'll be back at the start very quickly. I really hesitate spelling out a lot of wattle information so am going to hold back a bit, far too often it falls into the wrong hands, and that includes a lot of people on this forum, too many people are impatient, have ideals and justification with such little respect and or understanding of ecology but they get on their high horse and defend their actions for whatever reason, i've seen it far too often and it really eats me up, that said i'll climb down from my similar stallion for a minute. A benefit also in not spelling it out, is that you will learn more solidy over time, it can be hard and frustrating, but once you've put the effort in you will appreciate it, nothing in life is free, if we want something we have to work for it, just a simple fact of life, if we are handfed we will not develop the skills to their full potential. Make botanical glossaries your friend, you are going to need it, constant refering. Here's a couple to look at. http://florabase.dec.wa.gov.au/help/glossary http://www.anbg.gov.au/glossary/croft.html obtusifolia http://www.worldwidewattle.com/speciesgallery/obtusifolia.php longifolia http://www.worldwidewattle.com/speciesgallery/longifolia.php start small, if the phyllode tips confuse you between the species, simply focus on that until you understand, then move on. I was going to expand, but refer to previous statements. What I will try to do is get you some photos from my plants which are beaning up nicely at the moment, just give me a bit of time, will try for days but could be much longer.

It's really hard getting an ID from these photos, as well as with fairly minimal diagnostic features and a fairly vague mid north coast location, flowers can be quite important along with a heap of other things, there's really no free ride with Acacias, particularly with species of high similarity, it can often require quite detailed work in person, there's just too much with many of them that can't be expressed in general photos. You are probably looking at all longifolia, except 1 which is probably stricta and 4 which is probably stricta or saligna. 6 has galls. 'For quite a while Ive been wondering what are the differences between Acacia Obtusifolia, Maidenii & Longifolia. Most photo i see all look the same so maybe someone with more knowledge could explain the subtle differences im missing.' Just read the taxonomic descriptions, that'd be your best bet.

it's not unheard of for the seed to rot away completely, though leathery coats can sometimes be found or dried out with the appearence of a cockroach egg, Sometimes when they rot you'll just get a fuzzy mushy mess, but at the same time they are very easy to lose in seedmix. I thought I lost one through rot, so reset the soil and layed down some cactus seed, now i've got a tube with a phleb up the side and cactus across the surface. To be honest I cringed when i heard you cracked them with vice grips maybe you ruptured the embryo, just guesses really. Oh and you shouldn't have put warm/hot water on seed with a cracked coat, do one or the other, once you expose the embryo, it's all room temp water. Even the hot car was possibly a bit extreme. Some Acacias won't even handle the hot water treatment due to lack of coat thickness, it's all context specific.

Thanks for that TI, powermax is a strong possibility then given that at least a few councils in the melbourne area have bright blue dabber heads, I always assumed additional indicator dye like some councils do, but your explanation seems more fitting in this context. hah you'd think people would be that intelligent, but you give society too much credit, it's not uncommon to see people picking highly indicated plants and even if verbally communicated it can be met with a shrug and continuance of activity. On top of that and the reverse, the indication on leafy plants can often dissapear/meld quite quickly which doesn't give much hope for people to realise what's occured in the area. anyway I hate talking about this stuff, so will leave it at that :D have a good one fella.

that second tip trout instantly reminded me of 'old ted's macro', a 'macrogonus' from a old fellas yard in melbourne, vic., it's hard to often get the right angle to communicate a specific feel it gives off, but your picture captured it well and is the feel/image of what I assosiciate with this clone i have. Could get other shots if you're interested, these are some older ones.

Don't be confused though from it's natural distribution in Victoria in eastern sections and coastal areas, southern vic populations of subsp. longifolia are thought to be introduced yet somewhat naturalised, while subsp. sophorae supposedly with a natural distribution that includes the southern coast, still contentious and not fully understood (like all native plants), outside of the trickier distribution debate locations, the melbourne bushland suburban stuff is considered introduced and on ground can generally be witnessed what the source infestation was, i.e. even if it turns out that sophorae or longifolia is indigenous to non coastal areas of melbourne (hypothetical!), the occurances in specific suburban spots are somewhat easily traced to planted populations, not indigenous regeneration. I'd be concerned if you saw eastern and coastal populations being bumped off.

umm what are you talking about? what mistaken identity? They hit longifolia and floribuna, species not indigenous to the local ecology, did you not read the responses?

It's weed control with blue indicator dye, longifolia and floribunda are not part of the local indigenous ecology. Any other blue turning up with no herbicide application or application with no indicator dye is the blue stain fungus which is quite common. You are more than likely looking at melanoxylon in your backyard. Some spray workers deliberately spray mushrooms, but it's not a targeted conspiricy, just a handful of opportunistic arrogant fucks, nine times out of ten if they are hit it's off target damage. Pink/Reds no dramas in communication, it's the people harvesting actives that have deliberate or off target damage with blue indicator dye that is a concern, i.e. people think it's natural staining.

Not to be a prick, but you may want to look it up yourself and see how silly a suggestion it is given the information provided.

A big pat on the bum to you eth. As you've seen, there's often far more going on underground than above. imo it's best to germinate them in something that they will grow in for a longer period of time and can get their roots down deep without disturbance, but horticulturally anything is possible really and variety is the spice of life. Hope they take well with the very young transplant, best of luck with it all. I like your thinking with the cold pre-treatment, you naturalist you. Nearly called you a naturist by accident

eltham worms.

All hot h20 soaks, then planted to a light seed raising mix after removing all the larger bullshit barkchips (stop myself there from a big rant), keep it somewhat fluffy and don't compact it, it's quite easy for the seed to sit in a stagnant pocket and fuzz up with mold if soil is not appropriate, firmed down or kept too moist for too long. Kept moist, but allowed to dry a little before heavy misting the tube top when needed. What didn't come up was dug up and I cut bits of the coat away with a very sharp pocket knife, I find it simple but am working with knives and delicate things all the time so second nature really, some people will probably cut their fingers off if not careful or damage the seed, but really such little force is needed, just be slow and steady. So I guess to combine it all for better success, A hot water soak, following by some coat removal of the softened coat (much easier than hard) then planting in an airy mix, then a bright warm spot, warm days cool nights no doubt beneficial. If it sprouts out of soil and the seed coat doesn't shed i pinch the extreme tips firmly in an upward motion, if you do it correct you generaly will get the leathery coat to slip off 100% of the time without damaging any of the cotyledons etc. I use a native blood and bone powdered fert when I see any need it, response is great and axilliary buds raring to go. Attention to detail is really the key, I work on feeling these days I find it just guides me. No neo-hippy bullshit, but if you calm your mind, things really just open up and communicate, it's hard to describe. Also no need to go gung ho, do a seed at a time or a small batch until you get it nailed. edit: that coir is just a top dressing from an innoculant experiment, wasn't essential for their success.

You're probably looking at A. myrtifolia A. melanoxylon or implexa A, longifolia A. howitii (little hesitant, photos are deceptive, could be a number of things, variability etc. could tell in person, that's not an offer btw ;) )

This is for a couple of people including amazonian (sorry didn't want to hijack sallyd's thread), yeah amz, people did have success with the seed batch that went around, more or less 100% for me. These are old photos and not the best pics but is something, have a good one.

A couple of weeks ago, one or more people came into Snu Voogelbreinder's garden (in Victoria) during the night and stole various cactus, hacking them down and snapping / splitting them to soil level. Due to the time of year, cold, wet, slow growth, it is unknown if what is left of the plants will survive. Some of these plants had been acquired a fair while ago from the old Arizona nursery in NSW and also Gardenworld, and had been growing with Snu for quite some time, in his experience there were some unique individuals in the collection that he hadn't really seen elsewhere, and these are particularly the plants he would like to get back into his collection. If anyone knows anything about this, please get in touch with Snu via his garden of eden book site or myself and I will pass the information along. It would also be appreciated if anyone could keep an ear/eye out and pass the word around in your collecting circles. The general species were: Psycho0 (bridgesii(oid)), Super Pedro (Cordobensis/Spiny Scop), T. scopulicola (yellowing a bit, needs a feed), some other non-descript cuts, and 3 trich's in the following pictures, which were larger than what the old photos show (these are the main plants of value, but it's the first 2 plants he would mainly like to recover) plant 1 - (possibly a terscheckii??, it has rot damage on one side) plant 2 (not sure if this is yowie, or another similar but unique pachanoi) plant 3 (This one had the most bulk out of the stolen bunch, so the thieves have a fair bit of this compared to the others) Thanks very much, any direction is appreciated.

So it happend within the last 3 weeks since your last 30ft prune? I'd chase the neighbours up specifically about where and who was working there, if they saw anything etc, any info on where you could pin point it within a workable timeframe. Even just get all the tradies numbers and call them reporting the issue, no accusations, firm succinct inquiries. Tradies who steal will deny, and if the boss is an arsehole they will all defend each other violently, but an honest boss or worker is all you need to let the other pieces fall in place. fucking pricks, don't realise the stress and constant shoulder looking they cause. ihb2444, snu had a heavy fat spiny as terscheckiioid taken over a moth ago. no hard and fast rules, just arseholes and their variations.

Thanks for everyones replies, Hi T, as far as i'm aware it's the 3 plants in the photo, plus the Psycho0, Scop and Super Pedro, There were 'other non-descipt' cuts taken of which numbers i'm unsure of, but a bit difficult to document and describe for people to be on the lookout for i guess, the main mentioned ones are the stand outs. Nah it's not the sausage plant, to me it's leans towards more a PC hybrid, but all guesses. That's part of the frustration of this situation, Snu has thought along very similar lines. If they simply step a foot onto private land knowingly without permission their morals are zilch IMO, anything else that follows is simply a disrespectful low life being a disrespectful low life. The mentality is more prevalant in society than i've cared to acknowledge in previous years, but to me now, is far too obvious and prevelant to ignore, particularly in normal everyday folk we have to work and deal with. Thanks to everyone for the cutting offers, I will pass along the thoughts soon (my email isn't functioning too well and i've got too much going on at the moment) and we might be able to work something out when it's a bit warmer in the coming months. It would just be nice if the culprits were caught red handed and made accountable for their actions.

Removed now, but that 'psycho0' cut was a bridgesii from cactus land, from me, to interbeing, to you i'm pretty sure. Sorta short red spined bridge. I just label it as cactus land bridgesii in my collection.

wooh apoth good to see ya round talkin all planty and stuff. Great point on the NFB. So was in humidity and doing fine under 110w fluro at 30cm, then taken out of humidity at same wattage and distance and then the following is happening? Maybe it is just humidity shock like dale mentioned and possibly a lack of N from them using up reserves? Whatchya reckon kada? If light intensity hasn't changed, wouldn't it be leaning more toward a humidity shock issue, then possibly if not just humidity, yellowing and seedling leaf dieback from N deficiency? Though the lack of leaf opening possibly influenced from light intensity or humidity / both? plant illness does my head in, one symptom could be caused by a range of possibilities, but it's really rewarding to figure out whats going on, but net diagnosis needs as much info as possible! nah man not saying you did everything wrong jebus, people often have success with methods that i fail at and vice versa. Out of interest and for our info what soil mix did you actually use? cmon plant docs chime in!!