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Honestly I just glanced at the homepage.. I find it really off, the way sensationalist click-bait media feeds off of & in turn feeds people's hysteria & paranoia.. The articles may be based on real stories.. Just like most articles on more mainstream news websites.. They all use click bait psychology to draw people in.. This site, at a glance just seems to do that in a rather overt way.. I get it but that kind of stuff is s pet peeve of mine don't let me put you off though

At first glance at the homepage & the titles of the articles it looks like some serious sensationalist click-bait load of garbage. Just my subjective impression at a glance edit: I could be wrong

I will have to give that vid a look when I have time.. I have also seen a few of his vids, I don't disagree with much of what he says.. Def don't agree with everything.. But theres something about him that annoys me a bit sometimes.. Just a subtle sense that he kind of fantasies that he is some kind of modern Socrates or something haha

As far as my thoughts & feelings go, these days I tend to hang somewhere between bill hicks' point that it's just a ride & George carlins sentiment that he no longer has a stake in the outcome.. As carlin puts it, we're pretty much circling the drain.. The planet itself is a volatile place that goes through vast changes constantly over long periods of time.. It'll be fine until the sun expands & wipes it out just as everything comes & goes, but seems we're pretty much fucked for the foreseeable future, but who knows.. there is still profound beauty everywhere you care to look.. even in the deepest darkness.. So live as best you can, take care of the poor souls around you, be the best person you are capable of being, try to be better, keep your fingers crossed & enjoy the ride.. tripping balls about the crippling uncertainty just cripples us even more.. So I think it's best to try as much as possible to see the beauty in the madness

You're a good good egg thunderhorse, full power to you bro.. I'll just reply to one thing you mentioned about there being a firm belief.. There's no firm belief at all from where I'm looking., it's just that the evidence from so many sources is just profoundly overwhelming.. There is an unbelievable number of natural phenomena that would simply not be remotely possible if the earth were flat.. & earth sciences describe these process' in the most elegant & deeply sensical ways & it all ties in together to describe the physical nature of our planet so eloquently.. It's understandable that many people aren't broadly knowledgable about all these complex aspects of natural science but it remains that if people are ignorant of these things then that's what they are.. Ignorant. There's many reasons why people are ignorant.. Not saying I am not ignorant of many things btw..

absolutely no doubt about that i think.. i feel mythology generally is a multilayered encoded vehicle for the transmission of knowledge about many different aspects of reality & the complexities of the human experience & the meanings were generally intended to be peeled back layer by layer at successive stages of a persons development as they grow up & mature through life.. The mistake modern science tends to make when analyzing ancient mythology is to interpret them as some kind of simple, literal stories which are meant to mean nothing more than the physical content the stories present.. as though they are nothing but the most basic kind of children's book like 'see john run.' Obviously this is one of the major flaws of a purely scientific perspective.. to disregard anything which is not literal.. But it must be said that it is also the strength of science as a discipline for interpreting the physical universe.. It's not a problem as long as you understand there is more to reality than that.

I'm not saying our modern civilization doesn't suck in many ways & many modern assumptions about the nature of reality are not extremely flawed.. But when it comes to the physics regarding the basic structural geometry of planets, are you saying that a few remaining fragments of information from ancient largely preliterate & technologically primitive peoples are a more reliable source of scientific knowledge than our technological, space age, physics obsessed scientific civilization?

that & unfortunately there is a global stupidity pandemic of monumental proportions

This is pretty epic, i was just cruising on google earth & there this was. as the title says. When you see it on google earth it's striking..

technically this is definitely not possible... but just for interest sake, check out this daleys forum thread which has heaps of anecdotal accounts of people who seem to be pretty convinced this happens with citrus.. https://www.daleysfruit.com.au/forum/fruit-treesdon-webercitrus-springs-fl/ edit: though a lot of them are people just saying their oranges taste like lemons haha by which i guess they just mean they are sour as shit.. not necessarily actually lemon flavored

Yes of course. How does that in any way explain what dwr is very lazily Not explaining. Even objects which appear to be in complete physical contact are only interacting electrically, albeit on a sub-microscopic level Dude, you should write a book, your ideas are mind blowing, I could read one liners like this for hours. Just fascinating.

ok but the planets & moons & sun are not touching each other & are not perpetually expanding so i still have no idea what your getting at

maybe because you haven't explained it at all. Just saying "yeah, things get bigger" isn't very helpful to someone who doesn't have any clue what you're talking about

would you say the act of blinking is masculine or feminine? what about scratching your bum or turning on a light switch?

I have a theory about that scene.. It is a reference/nod of respect to Rolf de heer's film The Tracker with David Gulpilil.. In the scene Tarantino is Australian. Obviously the whole theme is black slaves becoming free.. Which mirrors the final scene of The Tracker. The way Django rides away into the distance on horseback while shirtless.. It is straight from the final scene of The Tracker.. Exactly the same vibe & very similar camera shot.. The fact Tarantino's character is Australian is to make the reference clear.. That's my theory anyway.. Tarantino is well known for referencing films/directors he respects.. & by the way, The Tracker is a really great film, Archie Roach did the sound track.. Is brilliant.

edit: i thought i had quoted siks3 with the following - "The only way you can seperate two zones of pressure is with a solid space e.g the firmament aka the dome. Like a light bulb." earths atmosphere is a dense cloud of gas molecules, those molecules have mass, therefore are drawn by gravity to the surface of the planet. at sea level the atmosphere is at it's densest & the density of gas molecules gets lower & lower, the further you ascend in altitude, therefore the pressure also gets lower & lower the higher you go, the density of gas molecules & subsequent air pressure tapers off gradually & continually until there are no air molecules at all & you have only vacuum, there isn't some mystical boundary line with a vacuum on one side & full sea level atmospheric pressure on the other. The density of gas in the upper atmosphere is so low that gravity is able to overcome the vacuum.

Fair enough bro just for me, the way people often react to this kind of banter is a bit of a point of contention.. Our prosperous, over protective, subliminally oppressive society has produced a pandemic of mental/emotional fragility & physical incapability that is really disturbing considering that it seems our civilisation is more or less collapsing around us & there is an entire generation that is seemingly completely unequipped to deal with the kind of change that is coming on any level. From my perspective I have not slandered anybody in this thread. I have made fun of an idea in a mostly light hearted but blunt way. I don't understand why people have such trouble separating ideas from the people who are discussing those ideas.. I'm probably the strange one but to me, that kind of banter, in a weird way is actually a show of respect. Most people will think thats ridiculous i'm sure but thats how I see it. I'm a very sensitive person, at least in my own fantasy world in my head I feel qualified to say that I think people need to harden the fuck up & defend their ideas rather than their hurt feelings. Granted, a lot people should do just the opposite too Way too many luke warm, mediocre discussions get had these days & they never really go anywhere. Everyone is afraid to say what they really think or afraid to be called out for offending someone or afraid of being belittled for their ideas. People might think my style only perpetuates that but I think that bs, life is gritty, whether you grew up in sheltered suburb in the first world or not, shit is going to get real & i feel it's a good thing to learn to speak and act with a bit of intelligence & passion. But again, thats just me, i'm usually pretty misunderstood in these things

regardless of how anyone feels 2xb, do my words really have anything to do with anything? I'm just another jerk off babbling on the internet. you seem to have said you basically agree with the flat earth idea. you obviously care enough to be posting at all, so instead of distracting the issue & making it about my naughty words why not give a positive contribution & explain why you are not retarded for doing so?

thanks for your positive contribution. the planet is in chaos, being offended by the flippant use of the word retard is a symptom of retardation

yeah i get you, i respect that a lot. but i also have a strong drive in me to say things as i see it. most of my life i have been a very sensitive person that is very careful about what i say lest i hurt anyone.. i have come to feel that this can be a strength but is also a huge weakness & not always the best way to go. In my experience the most interesting discussions are the ones where people speak bluntly & honestly without fear of offending but with the civility to not intentionally be offensive. As long as my intention is not to hurt anyone then the reactions of others to my words is only their responsibility, as i feel my own reactions to anything out there in the world is my responsibility also.. But sometimes perhaps i don't always judge this perfectly. i probably need to work on balancing better, what you are saying about compassionate speech and my feelings about honest fearless expression But this is a whole philosophical discussion in itself that perhaps we don't need to go into here

and i'm sorry for too often using not very constructive terms like retarded and stupid (even though i can't deny i feel those terms are appropriate). i'm also sorry if i gave the impression i was singling you out and attacking you personally, i never meant that, i don't think you are a spokesman for flat-earthers. i was just using your comments as a launchpad to the things i've said.

interesting insequent, i'll check it out. i agree it's hard to know what peoples real tone is in a text discussion which is why i don't let myself get personally offended by text on a screen from people i have never met. maybe thats also the reason i don't worry too much about offending people either.. maybe thats my bad.. 2XB, debate or not, why is a bunch of text criticizing an idea so offensive? why does every conversation these days seem to come down to whether someones feelings are hurt rather than the content? i mean, i know i have been blunt & if you don't know me you might think i'm angry & mean or something, i know i have said dismissive things which may distract from any point i have but i'm not trying to be unfair here. where can you go these days to really nut out ideas.. or criticize ideas as it may be? it seems the philosophy section here is as good of a place as many.. The willingness of people to fearlessly engage in difficult & complex discussion is always why i loved the corroboree. or maybe i'm just being sentimental.. anyway 2XB, from your post it would seem that you agree with the flat earth idea. please for the love of humanity, whether your avatar is a manky old bong or not, humor me & please take some time & explain to me why.

Bro, you are telling me to stop posting but you keep replying to my posts.. i'm torn.. I hate to continue to repeat myself but the thread title states that this a debate.. If that is the case & you continue to defend an idea that i am arguing against then is it wrong for me to continue to reply to you when you address me? if what i am saying is invalid why not just explain why rather than just getting upset that i have offended you? seeing as you are taking the time to reply to me.. i have been talking about the thread topic the whole time. is my analogy completely lost on you? what in my leaf analogy does not address the shape, reality & nature of the cosmos? i have said more than flat earth is stupid, that is just the main crux of my point. i know my opinions are nothing but my own, saying you are upset & making out like i think my opinions should be followed by everyone is not a good reason for me not to express them. I'm sure my opinions are annoying to some people but i don't think i am not adding anything interesting to this thread edit: usually you'd hope an analogy speaks for itself.. but my point is that in that analogy you can replace 'leaf' with anything whatsoever, including the shape of the planet.. i am agreeing with you, it is very interesting to ponder such things.. my point is simply that it has nothing to do with the earth being flat.. but it seems like you are emotional now so i understand if you are not really getting what i am saying

to attempt to explain why i think it's not a particularly relevant idea to discuss. if we are not debating whether flat earth is a relevant idea, this thread could just as easily be called - is a leaf (or any object you like) shaped the way it is shaped? Yes, it is shaped the way it is shaped, but the more closely you look, you will see that the edge of the leaf is actually an hyper complex fractal interface of infinite length, it's not leaf shaped at all and the further you go you will see there is no physical boundary to the so called leaf at all. This seems to be the basic premise of all this philosophizing being had & that is cool, i love that discussion, it's endlessly interesting. you can ask that question about anything. it is part of the nature of the physical world. nothing is as it seems.. the deeper you look, the more complex it gets until it isn't even close to the initial assumptions you made based on the limits of your nervous system.. but despite this, the leaf is still shaped like a leaf, it's both things simaltaneously, because we are rendering the is-ness of the leaf as a object we can understand through language & you cannot describe the infinite complexity of things with language.. you can only describe a relatively low resolution model of an object, so using language to decode the earth into a meaningful structure we can relate to, the earth is generally sphere like, it is as sphere-like as a human body is human-like, without language it is an unknowable fractal phenomena of infinite complexity. but where does it being flat come into this? it doesn't. there is no good reason to bring that idea into this philosophical discussion except as one of profoundly many un-plausable thoughts you might choose to imagine, which to me makes it not a particularly relevant topic of discussion except to discuss why it is not a very intelligent idea i feel that using flat earth as a jumping block into these extremely interesting ideas about reality is giving undue credence to some extremely low quality ideas & for no one to call it out reflects poorly on this forum, but thats just my trip...

no i'm not, i'm criticizing ideas i think are shit, not shitting on people. i'm not trying to attack you and make you feel uncomfortable i'm trying to have a real discussion about this, granted i have lacked self control and been a bit of a douche. usually i lack the motivation to get involved in bad discussions like this without bringing a bit of that into it.. sorry good discussion is great & i applaud you for being a good natured person that doesn't like the way i am expressing myself, i just can't help it, i somehow got involved & this topic just deserves to be called out for what it is. maybe when you feel uncomfortable you can remember the title of the thread says flat earth debate, not an innocent and fun thread about flat earth. maybe i'm not getting you properly but the context i am reading your posts is in the context of this topic of this thread