mindmelt

hehehehh...Ill post sum pics if someone tells me how......Vaporizing/smoking/direct ingestation of solids etc etc etc,these are not knew terms to my friend......Initiall scoring of the pods WAS too deep and so subsequent attempts yeilded little latex,this problem has now be rectified and mastered....Smoking is far better...Let my foaf explain...The opium tea,well most common of all,receipe was followed and this was 5 times filtered through 3 stockings,the risidual vegetable matter after being strained and rinced was re-added and re filtered leaving the murkish green-brown liquid..APROX 8 litres(MADE FROM JUST LARGE BULBS AND STEMS) was reduced over a double boiler,this took over 2 days and 300 bulbs.What resulted was a brownish treakle,but harder,substance that was not smokeable.Latex dried is smokeable.SEMANTICS.This absolute reduction,ohhh 2 show the pics,filled a medium sized tupperwear dish and sat iddle for a day.User unsure of its potential potency.One heaped teaspoon of molten treakle was added to a cup with 5 tea-spoons of sugar and enough boling water to dissolve it.This took alittle while to completely stir and dissolve,aprox 15 mins.This was drunk.Pleasant taste,sorta,not great but not wretched...2 hours later my friend was beyond repair,utterely devestated and having forgot 2 get up from his seat when the bus reached EUPHORIA sat moitionless untill the journeys end at OD's ville. This is what had always pissed my friend off from the start,sure smoking isnt as effective/potent/productive...but it is more managable,more pleasant and far safer to gauge... My friend is not upset,infact the lesson he learnt was invaluable......If you have lots of pods,lots of latex.THEN SMOKE IT..The HIGH is far far far far superior,even if milder,but far far far superior and its never been about the best bang for ya buck.....Yep go ahead and make your tea,freebase and extract even further if you wish,he did.......What had been a pleasant waking dream for 3 weeks turned into a living nightmare and ingestation shall never ever be repeated........

Nope ,the extract was just from pods and stems.... My friend is aware that opium does not actually burn,in the same sense that ganja or dry vegetable matter does,but when the latex is heated and begins to bubble it releases a light bluish/grey smoke.This gets him very nice and fluffy after about 10 very big lungfulls......Is it being stated that this is not SMOKE ,or is smoke a matter of semantics......Like when people SMOKE cannabis in a vapourizer and say 'NO its not smoke,its just the vapour"...........Ohhhhhhhhh.......

When u say very sick...Do u mean,sick then and there or years down the trak..?????????? Unfortunately this treakle like substance is practically un-smokeable..ie it wont ignite and produce that blue hued whisp of smoke my friend likes.....Is there anyway to make this GOO smokeable or is ingestion the only option...... Heheheheee a fair quantity of an earlier extraction used in an aluminium saucepan (which was then put through a sieve but not the stockings)..reduced further and left that greenish muck has been consumed and my friend reports no ill feelings or poisoning effects......... This brown treakle is another story,it looks scary,a teaspoon of it dissolved in a cuppa may drop a Elephant,or it may do little... What is your learned educated guess on its strength...?????????????

Some very very helpfull stuff in there.Thankyou all very much.My friend has gone and done something..This is what hes done......He boiled/simmered aprox 30 pods and stems in enough h20 to completely cover them,2-3 teaspoons of CITRIC ACID was added and this was simmered for aprox 30-45 mins.......This green filthy muck was then poured through a seive and the contents remaining in the seive were then squished/pressed etc etc so that plenty of liquid came out of it.It was then discarded,the solids that is..... What remained was a green slimey yoda like pond of putrification.My friend had an idea...This muck was then poured through 3 overlapped stockings into another bowl.This allowed absolutely ZERO solids into the pyrex dish,just liquid.This liquid was then placed over a double boiler and simmered for aprox 12 hours,in which time all the liquid evaporated and what was left was a very dark brown sticky toffee like substance that tastes a cross between bitter and sour.I assume sour from the citric acid.This stuff looks great and there is alot of it but is it /can it be smoked in this form.Alittle was placed on foil and heated with a lighter but very little smoke resulted.This stuff looks like it will either DROP an elephant or do bugger all,so he's alittle hesitant on eating it just yet.Also he fears he may have used an aluminium pot in his initial cookup with the pods,health concerns aside,can this adversely effect the potency of the end product???????

foaf would need 2 know how much or how little of this PUTTY should be ingested...ie starting from the amount that would practically do bugger-all up to amounts that will see him pinned.my friend is 6/3 and 90 kilos and is also prone to paranoia when ingesting substances that CANNOT be accuratly measured for potency......Obviously some batches of the stuff are going to blow your head off and other times the same amount will do zip..This I gather due to the 5 diff strains,sizes and lateness into maturing my friend has.....Also there is a great deal of misinformation floating around.Half the camp say that the pods and stems are at their best the minute the petals fall off,whilst others claim that you should waite 10 days...........Smoking does work,but my friend needs aprox 10 very heavy,long,deep inhalations to get a Stoned feeling.Very very pleasant but not at that pinned stage..........It is lots of hard tedious work scoring the pods and scraping the latex,especially the smaller bulbs so he tells me,but its kinda fun and makes him feel a bit more earthy.....The fflowers on 95% of his patch are ugly as sin,wonder why little ol ladies grow them..........

GOMAOS..............I had an idea,ummmmmmmm nope my friend had an idea...With the putty extraction what about this.....After having boiled/simmered the pods and stems for a period with the necessary additives,straind the lot and push or stir the goop in the strainer pressing out and threw the added juices......OK,now here is where things differ..... Instead of simply simmering this new liquified and strained extract to putty form...what about this.......After u have simmered away and pushed through the sieve/strainer etc etc etc,how about instead of just simmering that reduction you actually ran it through filter paper so that the liquid was totally devoid of solids,then with the second stage of extraction you would be left with a more pure crystaline substance than the putty..... What do you think,my foaf knows that the goodies in the poppies are water soluble so sees no wastage or negative effects in totally filtering the second stage.......... ....This friend has been doing this with the dried latex,he simply dissolves this in water and then runs it through some stockings,to remove any unwanted little bits of pistils or vegatable matter.This second/filtered brew is then reduced until just a brownish crystaline substance is left...Its aprox 4 times more potent than the simple scraped latex,so he tells me.......... Anyway,yes so my point is could this approach be addopted when making the putty,ie not making putty,making smokeable goodness.???????????????

All these people concerned with the addictive properties of OPIUM must be kidding........For you yourself,do you have any idea just how many plants you need to grow to even harvest a small amount of the latex.Obviously you dont...My foaf patch is HUGE and since working out how exactly to score the pods we can milk each one many many times.Foaf finds a depth of exactly 1 millimeter perfect...So my friend hasnt even bothered with the tea yet but will when all is dry and the best seeds re-collected........... .................... .................... You can GET A HABIT/ADDICTION off almost anything,Salvia that I would like too see,but we arent little 15 year olds anymore,we go into this fully informed,with our eyes wide open to the risks and dangers of addiction.Just because its there to have everyday does not me you have too......... ...........Needle users are stigmatised due to some of their brethrens habit of bashing old ladies,sticking up 7/11's with needles,breaking into houses and cars and laying DEAD in the gutter. .....When I was 20 I was addicted ,heavily and for 4 years to BOOZE,hospitalisation etc etc.Not making excuses for myself but it was pigeon holed into the self-medicating catergory due to an unpleasant childhood....Im 30 now,still young but old enough to know that I will never get addicted or beyond the point of no return with any drug EVER AGAIN.... ........... ........... ........... Notice how this thread will soon,if it isnt beggining to allready, degenerate into a molecule and extraction WAR....BLAHBLAHBLAH said.....this,then someone says no you have to grind and tweak the juice of a monkeys testicle to null and void my eyeballs 57 receptor.This battle then rages for 30 pages,the fun goes out of it,so too does the learning half the time.Its a persons or peoples inability to not let themselves seemingly be outdone or OUT-KNOWLEDEGED by another that is becoming more prevalent in these boards.... Some jerk-off whos been on these boards for about a month vomitts out a speel,that he only just read and copied verbatim from elswhere of text and chemicals and receptor sites and thinks hes ALBERT TORSTENSTEIN all of a sudden............ ........... ........... My foaf greatly appreciates all the positive feedback and comments regarding this topic,he also appreciates some of the negative comments and feedback from those who meant it with the fullness of their heart and not simply grand-standing. Still scared about the putty,heard it can make you crook as a dog and vommitt for hours upon hours... Hahahhaha,when I was 20 I would have done it by now,spewed,hated it,done it again,kept doing it until I became an addict and then only hate the world as I was suffering withdrawl..10 years can be a very long time in ones life......

Thanks very much ,I often have a squiz on the SOMMI forum,but without sounding like a suck,there are a dozen or so people on this site whos opinions and advive I give far more respect.......Originally I found that I was scoring the pod just alittle to deep and so thats why any subsequent milkings were proving futile,it was all leaching back into the pod.......I havent made the extraction yet,but I will,Im getting a buzz now from the brown goo and that makes me very happy....Thanks again

Dear person above...have you read or did you read the title of this thread.....It was concerned only with poppies and opium consumption..The pill popping bit only came in to play when describing the authours foaf prefered drug induced state..... .................. .................. .................. I have been a member of this forum for a few years now ,and, although I dont contribute a great deal and only post once in awhile I will tell you something...... ............ .............. ............. A great deal of ego inflation and one upmanship has grown like a cancer amongst many members of this community..Almost a snooty lofty feeling of superiority,just because they know what is exactly in this and that.Probably walk around boring the shit out of their friends,pointing out this tree and that tree and how if you take this substance and then extract this and then avoid yeasts and cheeses and bumble bees with busted wings,make a potion ,drink it up and sit quietly down you will experience the pleasures and sensations only reserved for the TRULLY initiated........Offcourse there are also alot of members who have kept their integrity and instead of waving their newly acquired knowledge in the face of the seeker,they happily and with great compasion share and enlighten those seeking guidance........... ............. ............. LMFAO...just because someone pops a pill or scrapes some latex they are obviousy inferior, their drug consumption seemingly beneath the contempt of the urban shamans among you... ............. 5-htp, L-tryptophan,melatonin.........They dont get that from scraping the stale semen from a yaks scrotum do they YODA..Umm nope it comes in a pill and a very very large section and time has been taken up on this site talking about them....But you wouldnt know that because you only became a member about 2 days ago. Form your exhaulted throne,peering way way down upon me and my pill popping just dont get to lonely....... [ 12. October 2003, 01:24: Message edited by: mindmelt ]

The only thing that worries me about the opium extraction putty and ingestion method is that there is a chance you could slightly OD,not die,but feel really really sick..What about if you further dried this putty somehow into a smokeable form..Maybe that is not possible,Im always too suspiscous to ingest substances when their potency and content cannot be 100% assured...... .......... .......... ......... I really do appreciate the help,and my friend will make the putty extraction,christ, is it as bitter as the latex that comes out of the pods.Hell that stuff is pretty crook.....So he says...... ........... ........... Unfortunately I dont have an available supply of SERAPAX on standbye,otherwise I would never take Valium ever again..SERAPAX is far superior ..

SLARTY FART FACED BLASTER.......... ......... ......... Why the derogatory and sour comments regarding valium and alchol.Am I to assume that it is you,and you alone,who dictates what when and how some other human being should take substances....... I dont see you shitcanning other people here insincerely directing them to the SOMMI FORUM... Ill make it simple for you YODA.....I dont like tripping,cactus,acid,licking the back of your grandmothers pet canetoad,who she whimsickly named "LEROY"...............I like ,enjoy,unfortunately at times ,need,the effects and sensations derived from SERAPAX,VALIUM,CODEINE AND BOOZE.....Am I not SHAMAN enough for you you spite filled amazonian bark sniffer............My references to those other substances was to put in perspective ,dosage and effect of what floats my boat.....Booze sedates my over active imagination,relaxes me and gives me a sense of euphoria,unfortunately me stumbling around the house pissed as a fart does not fill my girlfriend with the same feelings of euphoria.....

My friend is fast running out of allternatives.. Opiates dont seem to have the desired effect,well probably at a lethal dose there may be some euphoria before crossing over....Cannabis,mda mdma,hallucinogens..all a big no no..This poor mongrel ,and he is not proud of it,can easily take ten 5 milligram Valiums and happily walk his dog ,drive ,even go for a surf,the latter is often a commical site,but nonetheless...........What is there for him to do......Alchoal works,ohhhhhhh how it works,but this leads to wrong wrongs and the breakdown of the family unit.............. Perhaps if someone told my friend just how many pods and stems boiled up and simmered could get him happy,well,we may be able to put a smile on his face..............Please help me help him.. Thankyou,godbless...

Thanks for the advice and insight,my friend will look into that..As for the cutting up the entire plant after petals have fallen off,Ummmmmmm,r you sure cause theres probably about 100 square feet of these buggers ,I thought it was onlt the bulbs that you could soak and extractamundo.....Also as for making incisions twice a day for 2 3 weeks..That does not work....My friend(also devilishly handsome) has tried that and even after awaiting another 6 days found that little if anything ever came out after those first incisions.............. My friend can take 240mg of codeine phosphate and still take his dg for a walk,is there a chance he just may have a high tolerance to opiates..???? Give him a toke on a spliff and its WRONG WRONGSVILLE for the next 4 hours though.Poor bugger.

AFOAF has a fair sized patch,persians,turkish and tassies,the persians appear to be the earliest finishers.Having waited about 10 days for the petals to drop and the bulbs swelled incisions aprox2 mill deep were made...The latex oozed out and sometimes would even drip down the pod so fast he had to catch it with a knife.Anyway after waiting aprox 8 hours the latex had solidified and turned brown.This was scraped off,what very little of it there was.This was then dried for 2 days and then smoked.My friend had only the slightest effect from it,possibly even placebo.Has he done something wrong,is this normall,why such little harvest for such effort..The other varieties are just about to flower.PLEASE help my friend because he is feeling most underwhelmed..The seeds are legit because they were sourced from a very reliable member of this community.Any ideas.........

Its actually "WATERDRAGON "I wanted to thank. so if anybody reads this could they please pass this on and ask him to drop me a line.... Gomas,complaining about Queensland weather,I got my pyjamas on underneath my clothes and a beanie and gloves on,all this and Im sitting inside typing this to you on the computer.Queensland.Id move there 2morrow if there drug reform policies ever stood a chance of seeing the light of day...Shitty waves too,except the points on their days......... your garden looks good mate......