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  2. Posted

    Perhaps a clue to this Cabrerana ID?

    Info and wisdom From our friend the highly esteemed venerable Keeper of the Trout....

    coild it be........the one?

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    Other Diplopterys employed
    The Siona are familiar with P. viridis which is used by their neighbors the Kofan but use it only occasionally. They normally use D. cabrerana.

    Two major classes of yajé agua are differentiated (by the Siona) based on their leaf size. One may prove to be another species of Diplopterys but more field work is needed.

    yajé agua de pájaro: smaller of the two,
    yajé agua de jaguar: the larger of the two.
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    Watering the plant less really made a difference !

    next, some pix of new growth.

    these plants were propagated like caapi

    from a section of vine maybe 1 cm thick , with bark on it.

    any suggestions on cloning from smaller sections of new growth

    or...... micropropagation ?

     

     

     

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    Here are the pictures of the motherplant, this year....latine yesterday!

    notice how the leaves are wide, and not narrow like the leaves on the video left by Meangreen...

     

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  9. Posted

    Ok, maybe the problem I had last year....was the soil was too wet.

    this year, I got more motherplants/ cuttings.

    planted them in five gallon pots to give the roots space.

    in the bottom of the planter, I mixed in additional sand for drainage.

    used a forest potting soil, mixed in a bit extra sand, for the potting soil.

    on top, I used peat moss as a sort of mulch.

    ...this might somewhat replicate the forest environment,

    and keep the soil from drying out too fast.

    i want to get this plant into sterile culture.

    this time, I am going to be very carefull.

    i would like to kill any potential bugs or pathogens, any suggestion?

    Stone of Thor, you mentioned something about how to do that...any suggestions ?(Torstein)

    Darklight?

    Or anyone?

    I have ideas too of course, but am never native learning more.

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    I planted up nine Cabrerana yesterday .

    this time , used sandy soil in the bottom of planters , pitting soil made from forest compost and inoculated it with other potting soil that had beneficial fungi and etc 

    then mulched a bit with sphagnum moss on top.

  15. Posted · Edited by shonman

    Those look great, Meangreen!

    strage though.....I have had very little success with the aeroponic cloner..

    It seemed like the stem inside the cloned got too wet or something , turned brown and died.

    did not add IBA though,

    Any suggestions!

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    One ethno bees love and get a strong effect from

    is passiflora incarnata .

    many times I looked at the flower,

    and there was a bumblebee so sedated it could not fly!

    crawling very slowly and sitting a very long time.

    sometines, even falling onto the ground!

    the bees seem to like it a lot 

  20. Posted

    Thanks again, Darklight!

    i have been thinking about some possible causes

    of the Cabrerana not doing  as well as bfore.

    the insects are of course on reason.

    other possible reasons :

    -it could be adversely affected by the 24 hour light on cycle I have indoors 

    - it does not like to dry out then get really wet again, in the sandy coir mix I have it in

    - maybe it needs things like I think it's called fulfill acid....components of soil with rotting vegetation.

    i have been super busy taking care of plants ....

    a good next step ( if anyone has time on their hands, they could look into this and post )

    would be to look at the conditions, light cycle, soil components and humidity , rain, and temps 

    in the natural environment the plant grows in.

    then I will work on duplicating those ....

  22. Posted · Edited by shonman

     

     

    Thanks Darklight!

     

     

     

    you are truly an ultraviolet light, shining unto the darkness....

     

     

     

    Yes, always doing 1/2 strength, 1/2 sugar to start out.

     

     

     

    very difficult to make my own self go on 1/2 sugar though.

     

     

     

    i am trying to cut back,....not easy. It is in everything!

     

     

     

    i agree, PPM suppresses, but does not kill some or many? Fungi.

     

     

     

    sometimes it is very evident, in that if I leave plants in culture too long

     

     

     

    at a certain stage the PPM wears off or is no longer effective.

     

     

     

    when that happens, often all sorts of things will grow and go wild.

     

     

     

    i suppose, one could always keep the cultures, working with active ppm

     

     

     

    then, deflasking brings the plant into new conditions

     

     

     

    which are more conducive to plant growth, than fungus growth in the sealed humid environment.

     

     

     

    i think some species of fungi are possibly symbiotic with the plants in some cases

     

     

     

    but in vitro, or in humid conditions with no ventilation....the fungus takes over.

     

     

     

    or maybe it's just contamination.

     

     

     

    there is speculation that certain tree species have endogenous fungus

     

     

     

    and I have seen some plants growing extremely healthy, with fungus in its medium...totally unaffected.

     

     

     

    it actually rooted much better than usual.

     

     

     

    Re: cabrerana....I will probably use ppm at first, just in hopes of getting something to work.

     

     

     

    then make sure those cultures get changed, then deflasking, before ppm wears off.

     

     

     

    then, I will let the ppm wear off or discontinue in some test cultures, and see how those do.

     

     

     

    if they have contaminants still, 

     

     

     

    i might try dividing those unaffected cultures, with ppm in them....

     

     

     

    and put the divided tops into a chlorinated medium.

     

     

     

    some plants won't root in this medium, but fungus can't grow either.

     

     

     

    then, I would divide after new growth occurs

     

     

     

    and try working with the newest growth, in non chlorinated medium...

     

     

     

    holing to eventually get an uncontaminated culture going.

     

     

     

    hopefully it will be easier than all that....whatever it takes.

     

     

     

    i don't think the cabrerana plants liked growing in sterile coir mix,

     

     

     

    after I started using the County water....and moved them indoors...

     

     

     

    their condition is not as good as it was outside in summer.

     

     

     

    i also think this species does not like being overly watered

     

     

     

    unlike what I saw online, and with some other related plants.

     

     

     

    it seems to want steady water, but not soaking wet.

     

     

     

    i am going to put them on a heat mat too , in hopes of getting the roots going and speeding up growth.

     

     

     

    warmer, damp but not soaked medium, and will use distilled water or rainwater to water with...

     

     

     

    i am tempted to remove them from the coir mix,

     

     

     

    yet hesitate to 'go organic ' with 'filth culture ' now when I am trying for disinfected plants.

     

     

     

    perhaps I should try several things as well...like placing leaves in an aeroponic cloner.

     

     

     

    perhaps after I get good new growth, I will try several ways of cloning.

     

     

     

    right now I am 'afraid' to take any growth from the plant.

     

     

     

    have been so busy....when I can I will slow down and really tune into the plants energy...

     

     

     

    'ask it, what it wants/ needs to grow '

     

     

     

    the other day when I was tending to them, I felt a tingle when the healthiest one brushed against my arm.

     

     

     

    almost a sort of loving, grateful energy like ' thanks for taking care of us '

     

     

     

    I will take some time to really get what this plant needs, from a centered space.

     

     

     

    as soon as I get everything done around here!

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  24. Posted

    Also, if anyone has lots of time on their hands

    i am willing to fill the role of guru or messiah of some new religion.

    If you feel inclined, the first step is to raise lots of funds.

    then, if you like, you and other sincere  devotees,

    can carry me around on a fancy chair.

    i will go around to various cool places

    and cause impressive stone temples and various monuments to be created.

    Thanks in advance !

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  25. Posted

    In the interest of providing generally usefull info for others now and in the future

    for this difficult to find plant that few are familiar with in its live form

    here is a response to a question re: grow advice for Cabrerana

    'Straight'  from the horses.....well, let's just say, mouth , as the saying goes around here.....

    the Estimated Prophet, doth speaketh thusly:

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    My opinion of the plant is it seems to be a generalist. It reacts favorably to the same condition as tomatoes, pepper an other plants with average cultural conditions.  The only special thing is slow development on cuttings and it need tropical weather.  High rain fall, fast drainage and temps between 65 and 90.
     
    The one in the woods is just growing in deep volcanic ash soil and feeding on leaf litter.
     
    In the nursery I use Pro-Mix HP as medium and Nutricote 180 as fertilizer.

     

     

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