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Thus mythical unicorn of a plant is said to exist. not unlike the Loch Ness monster, photos surface every now and then.... yet, seldom or ever does the mythical beast ever materialize. my interest in it is as a collectible and herbarium specimen. some legends claim it is slow growing, possibly / apparently difficult to propagate, and no one ever seems to have seeds either. can anyone add to the legend of this plant, with photos, info on cultivation /growing, myths , ethnobotanical lore, or ? do you think there would be demand if someone could miraculously produce this plant?

Perhaps a clue to this Cabrerana ID? Info and wisdom From our friend the highly esteemed venerable Keeper of the Trout.... coild it be........the one? .............. Other Diplopterys employed The Siona are familiar with P. viridis which is used by their neighbors the Kofan but use it only occasionally. They normally use D. cabrerana.Two major classes of yajé agua are differentiated (by the Siona) based on their leaf size. One may prove to be another species of Diplopterys but more field work is needed.yajé agua de pájaro: smaller of the two,yajé agua de jaguar: the larger of the two. Langdon 1

You were PlantHelper before? what happened?

W.C. you are quite correct about cloning things in the right season.

Watering the plant less really made a difference ! next, some pix of new growth. these plants were propagated like caapi from a section of vine maybe 1 cm thick , with bark on it. any suggestions on cloning from smaller sections of new growth or...... micropropagation ?

It does seem interesting.....whatever became of this? did the seeds grow? any reports on the plant, or its fx?

Here are the pictures of the motherplant, this year....latine yesterday! notice how the leaves are wide, and not narrow like the leaves on the video left by Meangreen...

Ok, maybe the problem I had last year....was the soil was too wet. this year, I got more motherplants/ cuttings. planted them in five gallon pots to give the roots space. in the bottom of the planter, I mixed in additional sand for drainage. used a forest potting soil, mixed in a bit extra sand, for the potting soil. on top, I used peat moss as a sort of mulch. ...this might somewhat replicate the forest environment, and keep the soil from drying out too fast. i want to get this plant into sterile culture. this time, I am going to be very carefull. i would like to kill any potential bugs or pathogens, any suggestion? Stone of Thor, you mentioned something about how to do that...any suggestions ?(Torstein) Darklight? Or anyone? I have ideas too of course, but am never native learning more.

Someone very experienced, mentioned this as the cause : Edema Plant Disease – Causes Of Plant Edema And How To Treat still, if it were a blister mite....would I see mites on the leaf?

What are these spots ? some sort of pest ?

Here is one . this time I am going to put them through procedure to kill any pests and pathogens .

I planted up nine Cabrerana yesterday . this time , used sandy soil in the bottom of planters , pitting soil made from forest compost and inoculated it with other potting soil that had beneficial fungi and etc then mulched a bit with sphagnum moss on top.

Yes, that is the easy way . i am talking about propagating 365 days / year ! however, there is also great wisdom in your advice.

Those look great, Meangreen! strage though.....I have had very little success with the aeroponic cloner.. It seemed like the stem inside the cloned got too wet or something , turned brown and died. did not add IBA though, Any suggestions!

Man, I must have heard the plants wrong, I am back now., with more! will write excessively wordy post later. we can surely identify the strain now! https://webapps.lsa.umich.edu/herbarium/malpigh/StigClade/Diplopterys/Dip1.html

I have used ozone to disinfect water, and maybe disinfect my hydroponic system a bit. i understand it can also kill bugs... although, one must be careful not to kill the plants or oneself (if that is not the goal ) by too high a concentration for too long. diffusing ozone in water seems to kill the fungi etc, and can be circulated through a hydroponic of ebb and flow system. am also interested in other effective ways to kill pests, that leave no trace... some have discussed specially attuned water, with a certain frequency. i don't know much about that. it would be great if I could just tune some sound to a certain frequency, and kill bugs on plant somehow . so, in this thread, I am asking.....how do you kill pests, without pesticides? my number one answer would be, establish a colony of predatory insects to continously eat the pests. has anyone else used ozone, or other cosmic means for this purpose of killing unwanted bugs? ozone has been used in pest control, for fleas and bed bugs effectively....

One ethno bees love and get a strong effect from is passiflora incarnata . many times I looked at the flower, and there was a bumblebee so sedated it could not fly! crawling very slowly and sitting a very long time. sometines, even falling onto the ground! the bees seem to like it a lot

Tangle foot tree is paintable sticky stuff... that I paint on the blue removable tape to catch bugs . but I did not do that in the greenhouse..... good suggestion, thanks !

"A man needs a maid..."

Thanks again, Darklight! i have been thinking about some possible causes of the Cabrerana not doing as well as bfore. the insects are of course on reason. other possible reasons : -it could be adversely affected by the 24 hour light on cycle I have indoors - it does not like to dry out then get really wet again, in the sandy coir mix I have it in - maybe it needs things like I think it's called fulfill acid....components of soil with rotting vegetation. i have been super busy taking care of plants .... a good next step ( if anyone has time on their hands, they could look into this and post ) would be to look at the conditions, light cycle, soil components and humidity , rain, and temps in the natural environment the plant grows in. then I will work on duplicating those ....

Thanks, good advice! in fact, the honey is great in tissue culture and whoretoculture too, it seems to promote rooting!

Thanks Darklight! you are truly an ultraviolet light, shining unto the darkness.... Yes, always doing 1/2 strength, 1/2 sugar to start out. very difficult to make my own self go on 1/2 sugar though. i am trying to cut back,....not easy. It is in everything! i agree, PPM suppresses, but does not kill some or many? Fungi. sometimes it is very evident, in that if I leave plants in culture too long at a certain stage the PPM wears off or is no longer effective. when that happens, often all sorts of things will grow and go wild. i suppose, one could always keep the cultures, working with active ppm then, deflasking brings the plant into new conditions which are more conducive to plant growth, than fungus growth in the sealed humid environment. i think some species of fungi are possibly symbiotic with the plants in some cases but in vitro, or in humid conditions with no ventilation....the fungus takes over. or maybe it's just contamination. there is speculation that certain tree species have endogenous fungus and I have seen some plants growing extremely healthy, with fungus in its medium...totally unaffected. it actually rooted much better than usual. Re: cabrerana....I will probably use ppm at first, just in hopes of getting something to work. then make sure those cultures get changed, then deflasking, before ppm wears off. then, I will let the ppm wear off or discontinue in some test cultures, and see how those do. if they have contaminants still, i might try dividing those unaffected cultures, with ppm in them.... and put the divided tops into a chlorinated medium. some plants won't root in this medium, but fungus can't grow either. then, I would divide after new growth occurs and try working with the newest growth, in non chlorinated medium... holing to eventually get an uncontaminated culture going. hopefully it will be easier than all that....whatever it takes. i don't think the cabrerana plants liked growing in sterile coir mix, after I started using the County water....and moved them indoors... their condition is not as good as it was outside in summer. i also think this species does not like being overly watered unlike what I saw online, and with some other related plants. it seems to want steady water, but not soaking wet. i am going to put them on a heat mat too , in hopes of getting the roots going and speeding up growth. warmer, damp but not soaked medium, and will use distilled water or rainwater to water with... i am tempted to remove them from the coir mix, yet hesitate to 'go organic ' with 'filth culture ' now when I am trying for disinfected plants. perhaps I should try several things as well...like placing leaves in an aeroponic cloner. perhaps after I get good new growth, I will try several ways of cloning. right now I am 'afraid' to take any growth from the plant. have been so busy....when I can I will slow down and really tune into the plants energy... 'ask it, what it wants/ needs to grow ' the other day when I was tending to them, I felt a tingle when the healthiest one brushed against my arm. almost a sort of loving, grateful energy like ' thanks for taking care of us ' I will take some time to really get what this plant needs, from a centered space. as soon as I get everything done around here!