shonman

I just like looking at the pictures ! i was reading through that, am going to look directly at the plant and see if it all matches up. if I really get into it....photograph each part that I am comparing to the text and images....

Hmm....interesting.....natives say...plant tells them what to do. i will have to incorporate this into my growing tech..l.had not thought of that before. i did have a certain empathathic type approach, that I use...will apply this new concept...

I wonder if I could get them to flower and produce viable seeds under timed light

Thanks for this links you guys! images of Cabrerana parts....

Ok here are some images presented by the Royal gardens at Kew from some universities in the Amazon of Cabrerana. these have seeds etc but otherwise ....compare to the photos of mine and the motherplant...

Thanks , ye whose name remains an unpronounceable mystery, but perhaps sometimes called thunder horse....and water boy for that link too... oco-yage is what some call Diplopterys. i wonder if it is just Cabrerana , or all ceremonially appropriate diplopterys? oco=water seriously, if this plant is so impossible to have where do all those stacks of dried leaves we see pix of ...come from?

Dude I got it from insists it never flowers here. however, one could perhaps duplicate the light/ time of subsequent seasons from its home environment and induce flowering that way. this thing takes forever to root it seems and does not exactly grow fast here in captivity.... maybe it needs higher temps

Indeed....! certainly,........ there must be distinguishing characteristics, that have been determined for these to be dinstinct varieties....

Thanks all! i will see what I can figure out from this info, much appreciated! after some research, I found an interview, deacribing the exacting technique by which the natives of the Amazonthemselves, determine exact taxonomic identities of sacred plants.... "Davis: We call it "trial and error," which is a meaningless euphemism. The Indians say that the plants told them what to do.In the 'forties, Schultes reported that there were societies in the northwest Amazon where there were as many as seventeen different varieties of ayahuasca — all of which were referable to one main species. He asked how they were distinguished. The answer? You take the plants on the night of a full moon, when each species sings to you in a different key.It's an amazing system of taxonomy.Adams: That's stunning. Do you believe that?Davis: I absolutely believe that.

Well, someone said that anonymous botanists, claim my plant is a diplopterys, but not specifically Cabrerana... yet they also claim that is has the same activity, so might as well be Cabrerana .. maybe I will just call it 'chaliponga ' instead... i would very much like to know exactly what characteristics of my actual plant are said to have determined that it might not be Cabrerana... It looks exactly like all the pix I have seen of Cabrerana.... they said 'T Mckennas plant is not Cabrerana " what specifically about my plant did they determine that by? was it simply that they saw some other McKenna plant, and assumed it was the same? it looks exactly like Cabrerana ....as far as I can tell from pictures. can these botanists, step forward and say exactly what they determined that the plant is not Cabrerana by? i would very much like to know what identifying characteristics they determined this by....

The Most High source of the Sacred Cabrerana.....Sayeth : "So far in this climate the plant does not flower or seed. It around 6 to 7 years old, perhaps not old enough. The Yage vine flowers here but refuses to set seed in this environment. San Pedro is like that in CA, flowers every year but never sets a seed. Quite a few S. American plants act this way when moved north."

Flowering....I will check on that....

It seems to have taken like four months for this next batch to root ...

Ok! in the interest of science, and trying to positively identify this plant.... ( Which the Faithful Believe is the Divine Cabrerana...) i present theWords of Te Estimated Prophet, regarding the Divine Origin, of the Virgin Birth of Diplopterys God of the Seers. of course, we are mere collectors of the sacred knowledge never committing any Sin. Yay! The Holy Bringer of the Cabrerana, hath spake thusly on its origins..... Let Him who hath eyes to see, ....Hear these Words,...in symbol form.... "The D. cab.showed up growing at the base of a Rollinia tree one day after a guy I used to hire for labor placed it there without asking me. When I asked what the hell it was he gave me a story that it was a vine type of Chacruna that was 10 tens stronger than Psychotria and had come from Terrance McKenna's place. After some research I figured out what it was scientifically and started to propagate some. A few people here seemed to know what it was and purchased a few plants. Otherwise it drew little interest until....(Shonman arrived) Because of the path the plant took here I assume it is what it is supposed to be but I have spoken to no one who has used it and I do not do Ayahuasca myself. If I need to speak with multidimensional space aliens I can figure out how to do that without vomiting or crapping in my shorts. As far as how cuttings are done: I cut 4" to 6" pieces of vine, insert them upright in mass into one gallon nursery containers filled with Pro-Mix HP. The containers are then placed on a nursery table under the edge of a large lime tree until the root out. At that point I transfer them to indivual 3.5" pots using the same medium but adding some osmocote so they have..." ....end of transmission....

Sirius-ly though i very much appreciate all info on this plant whether reverent or heretical!

BLASPHEMY!! you DOUBT the miracle of the Chupa Cabrerana? DON'T WORRY, B. CAAPI!!

Surely some botanist who named this plant determined its identifying characteristics when they classified it ... am also getting more info from the source. it does look just like the pix of 'cabrerana ' on the net ...

Also, if a leaf is removed or broken there is a subtle smell . it does not seem to like being overwatered . since I had some problems with plants sealed in an aquarium , I took the plex cover off. then moved all but three of the plants to be with their friend, B Caapi which I have growing on a section of cattle panel indoors . i wind the caapi around the fence as it grows...creating a 'caapistry '! Notice the red and blue shadows from HPS and MH light sources ...

Can anyone post a picture of a plant that is FOR SURE cabrerana ? this one "walks like a cabrerana quacks like a cabrerana ..." so....is it ? it and the leaves look like pictures that are supposedly cabrerana ...

Are you saying this particular plant (from T Mckennas collection supposedly ) is not cabrerana ? if so are you sure ? How can we ID it for sure? from what I can tell ... leaves look like cabrerana vine looks like cabrerana ?

Ok , I have a clue about the holes in the leaves! seems to be water related ...a friend said : " It appears to be simple Oedema. The rupturing of plant cells due to irregular water up take. It is a physiological condition. Often it is caused by either over or under watering. Soil that is too moisture holding can cause it. Because of our rain here I use high porosity mixes and do not usually get much of this. Here is a link to U Missouri Oedema Oedema "

The leaves seem to have small holes in them with little drops of liquid on the underside . these have been on the plants ever since I got them ... what do you think causes this??

A lot of the new growth seemed to dry up and shrivel in the big aquarium not sure why now I regret putting all the plants in there.. took 2/3 out . i had overwatered a bit and it is 90f+ hot in the grow area ... what might cause this to happen ? there is plenty of humidity . i wonder if insects sucked the new growth dry or ? See next post about that ... what do you think ? here is an example of how the new growth died...

I went ahead and placed more D Cabrerana into the aquarium. it has a plexiglass cover over the opening. the new growth is responding well, will post a pic soon. new growth is super sensitive.....slight changes in environment can fry it quickly. like, increased wind, or sun , or less humidity. i have had an idea, of creating disinfected little terrarium worlds where ethno plants could be grown out with some cool tiki statues, crystals and various artistic as well as required practical elements... for example, a small Ps Viridis bonsai type thing, with small statue of an Inca/Aztec temple, a few stones m maybe some small figurines... also, sort of large bonsai of different varieties of ethno plants/ trees.... Many people think of our relationship with domesticated animals. .....our relationship with plants....is also very extensive. to the point where it has been said that some plants even stop bothering to replicate themselves sort of counting on people to do it. Like some sort of giant pollinator...human insect thing that the plant counts on and lures in with its special qualities. It almost seems like some specimens of cacti, like T. Pachanoi, in some cases.. appear to have been selected by people through time...to have less spines. But I digress...

Ok hope these are the right way up.,, some new growth on these same plants that I am disinfecting man these lookupside down too maybe I will edit later in photoshop ....