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#76 DiscoStu

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Posted 24 May 2015 - 06:51 PM

it's worth noting that bush launched the afghan/iraq wars as doing gods work. 

just cos it's not the church leading armies anymore doesn't mean wars aren't done in the christian god's name


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Posted 24 May 2015 - 07:55 PM

So if the  doctrine has not changed but the Christians have changed  are you saying that there is no hope of a muslim to change? Im confused to what you are saying mate. 

I can still read all that hateful doctrine in the bible. Its still there unchanged.

 

that's what i'm saying, the doctrine doesn't change.  you've fundamentally got a big problem when a large number of people let a roll of toiletpaper determine their values and actions.

 

 

discostu what a fiasco :(


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Posted 24 May 2015 - 09:13 PM

From Wikipedia

 

Xenophobia can also be exhibited in the form of an "uncritical exaltation of another culture" in which a culture is ascribed "an unreal, stereotyped and exotic quality"

 

Does that make me the pot or the kettle ?

 

After the shit that's been going down in my street in last few days this debate or shit slinging match is almost like a breath of fresh air. At least here the opinions have the potential for change.


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Posted 24 May 2015 - 10:31 PM

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Posted Yesterday, 09:04 AM

can explain how australia is in the process of establishing sharia law? either on a local, state or federal government level?


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Posted Yesterday, 09:22 AM

will you eat human flesh with me if i can get some wert

 

edit: cooked of course  :)


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Posted Yesterday, 10:52 AM

Make your own bacon, it's really quite easy and much better than the slop you buy that's been pumped full of watery brine.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:04 AM

Some of the comments here are ridiculous. Those paranoid folks fearing Sharia law in Australia... have you even stopped to consider the size of the Muslim population in this country? It's less than 3% . I think you're fairly safe in that the 97% won't sway for Sharia law, and we can hang on to our current religious law, where homosexuals are not given equal rights by the government. A country led by a lunatic Jesuit who namechecks God, and called the Greens party 'the devil' in regards to opposing logging. This religious nation that executed it's last man as recently as 1967. A church in every suburb. A nation built from the sweat of petty criminals forcefully extracted from their home nation to be dumped on a faraway island. This great land, where only two hundreds years ago our forefathers perpetrated mass genocide against this land's rightful inhabitants.

 

Australia takes it's lead from the USA, a nation where every cash transaction reminds citizens that it is a nation of God (In God We Trust is printed on all the paper currency). This murderous nation that Australia supports in invading sovereign nations. 500,000 Iraqis killed, under the leadership of a President channeling the word of a Christian God.

 

George W Bush: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

 

Leviticus 26:33 (in reference to non-believers) - I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins

 

Why on earth should we fear Australia falling under Sharia Law when the present intertwining of politics and Christianity is so pervasive and sinister?

 

As for Islam oppressing women, how do you figure Benizar Bhutto got elected... twice.... as president in a country of what many Islamophobes consider to be a hotbed of terror cells? I'm sure the former Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri would disagree with your opinions, being the commander-in-chief to the most populous Muslim country in the world. Perhaps you may wish to look towards Bangladesh, the third most populous Muslim country on the planet, which has been ruled by female Prime Minister for the last 25 years. Kosovo, Senegal, Turkey and other Islamic nations have had female leaders. The alleged oppression being specific to Islam is mostly in the minds of frightened, paranoid western xenophobes.

 

Timothy 2:12 - I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

 

It wasn't so long ago, your grandmothers, perhaps your mothers, were expected to play the role of dutiful housewife, bear children and obey the king of the house. Unable to vote, unable to enter pubs. Statistically, still do not earn equal to that of their male counterparts.

 

Titus 2:5 - to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.

 

At worst, Islamic nations are perhaps 50 years behind us, at best. ISIS will never catch up to the coalition's murder in the name of a Christian God, though.

 

Child molester seems to get thrown around a lot when fearful people speak of Islam. Rolf Harris wasn't a Muslim, despite the beard. The Australian sex offenders registry include over 14,000 people, for crimes including pedophilia and rape. The Catholic church goes to great lengths to cover up Clergy indiscretions with children. Would it be fair for another nation to make the broad generalization that all Aussies are rapists and rock-spiders? Of course not. So too, the few bad eggs that proclaim Islam as a vehicle for murderous action do not represent the broader Muslim community.

 

From the Catholic Encyclopedia: When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, “the Lord’s brother”). A year after his wife’s death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place.”

 

This puts Mary at 12 years old when she married Joseph the Carpenter. Female children betrothed into marriage before puberty was very common.

 

How about those headscarves? Several years ago, there was a rally in Lakemba by, and for, women, to reclaim the hijab, feeling that their cultural identity was being lost, and rallied to celebrate the wearing of the scarf as a respect for their belief. As a kid growing up in Catholic schooling in the '70;s, I remember my primary years being schooled by nuns who lived on premises. Nuns who wore scarves in alignment with their religious beliefs. Not many nuns get spat on or abused on public transport, but the same can't be said for Muslim women. My mother, and many women, in the 70's, used 'rollers' to curl their hair, and would cover themselves with a scarf. Heck, in the 50's, Audrey Hepburn & Marilyn Monroe wore headscarves for no apparent reason other than fashion.

 

Corinthians 11:6 - For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.


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Posted Yesterday, 07:39 PM

>As for Islam oppressing women, how do you figure Benizar Bhutto got elected... twice.... as president in a country of what many Islamophobes consider to be a hotbed of terror cells?

Because she was the eldest child of a wealthy, powerful family.

>I'm sure the former Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri would disagree with your opinions, being the commander-in-chief to the most populous Muslim country in the world.

Again, hugely influential family.

I don’t think it really works to say Islam (and which Islam? we’re already talking about numerous differing traditions) is for equality of women based on case examples of a few extremely privileged women. To be convincing you’d have to provide evidence about norms rather than exceptions.

That said, I don’t think Christianity-based societies treat women equally either, and wouldn’t take Gillard as PM as a sign that Australia treats sexes as equals. I also don’t reckon comparing Christianity to Islam is much use in a debate like this, since most of the people you’re communicating with aren’t Christians and probably wouldn’t defend the faith as a foundation for social practice/law/etc.
 


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Posted Yesterday, 08:57 PM

Seeing you suggested I look into Bangladesh DT (I already have but that really had nothing to do with this discussion)

 

Of all the examples of islamic nations to choose Bangladesh is possibly the worst example I could think of to prove how moderate they are.

 

Try googling ethnic cleansing in Bangladesh.

 

That country has been the site of one of the biggest and most brutal atrocities in modern history.

 

No need to state who committed the atrocities.


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Posted Yesterday, 09:13 PM

I watched a doco on acid attacks in Bangladesh a few years ago, and it made me cry. The number of people including tiny innocent children who are horribly maimed by sulphuric acid attacks is truly shocking. Nothing to do with religion, just brought up this memory...

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Posted Yesterday, 09:16 PM

so, if Australia's Muslim population is 3% then that would mean there are more females living in oppression and in abusive situations in this county who are of other religions than the entire Muslim population of this country combined..........

 

perspective.


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Posted Yesterday, 09:20 PM

That said, I don’t think Christianity-based societies treat women equally either, and wouldn’t take Gillard as PM as a sign that Australia treats sexes as equals. I also don’t reckon comparing Christianity to Islam is much use in a debate like this, since most of the people you’re communicating with aren’t Christians and probably wouldn’t defend the faith as a foundation for social practice/law/etc.
 

 

 

 No but it does put some perspective on  atrocities committed  in the name of both religions. There is no reason to fear one over the other. . I hate religion but I hate biased scaremongering even more.

 

Kinda like you have more chance of getting your head kicked in and dying by a drunk bogan at a taxi rank on a niteclub strip than by a terrorist. Lets get some perspective before we start getting scared at the wrong things
 


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Posted Yesterday, 09:27 PM

Seeing you suggested I look into Bangladesh DT (I already have but that really had nothing to do with this discussion)

 

Of all the examples of islamic nations to choose Bangladesh is possibly the worst example I could think of to prove how moderate they are.

 

Try googling ethnic cleansing in Bangladesh.

 

That country has been the site of one of the biggest and most brutal atrocities in modern history.

 

No need to state who committed the atrocities.

 

Try googling ethnic cleansing in west Africa by Christian militia 

Still happening

Do they act for all Christians?



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Posted Today, 12:04 AM

Any atrocity in the name of a chosen religious figure is still an atrocity. I agree it's totally reprehensible.

 

The displacement in Bangladesh is still occurring too and it's becoming an international debacle, those people are trapped in a version of hell that most of us could never imagine. Way too many human casualties for anyone to accept. The numbers you've quoted (in west Africa) seem insignificant compared to what's happened/happening in Bangadesh. Balance it out with what's happened in other parts of Africa and it becomes even less significant.

 

DT brought up that point in a reference that seemed directly aimed at me and I believe it was ill informed so I replied. Bangladesh has a history of state sponsored violence that has well documented/proven  financial links to Saudi Arabia - diverting the attention to an unrelated matter involving Christians on another continent is intriguing to say the least.

 

Maybe my refusal to give you my address via the PM you sent offering free shit the other day offended you ?

 

I don't agree with religious persecution of any sort and I have no affiliation with any religious group.


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Posted Today, 12:44 AM

Don't flatter yourself darlin. I'm in this thread to troll xenophobes.

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Posted Today, 01:26 AM

Cubism presented an argument that put me in my place, and after reading and contemplating his words I made an effort to apologise (twice) for extreme staements I'd presented early on in the thread. I'm still sorry Cubism - there was no excuse for some of the things I wrote.

 

Coming back days later and seeing people laying the boot in after I'd conceded & apologised it's hard to take, especially when most of what they've stated is completely out of context and irellevant and/or ill informed.


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Posted Today, 07:09 AM

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