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[bogfrog]

Hi all, i have this plant which is really not growing true to form, so much so that i feel even seasoned ethnobots might struggle to ID correctly.

So i thought i'd give this a go, lets see if anyone can crack it.
This is a well known, revered, sacred plant.

(Illustro, zip it! as i have told you what this is lol)

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Edited by bogfrog, Yesterday, 03:35 PM.

[planthelper]

just to break the ice.

hairy leaves, maybe a solanaceae?

and boggy, I got a stiff neck now, better to rotate the pic, than the neck, but than chiropractors, would disagree.

[Amazonian]

Hmmm, I'll have a stab... Is it a Nicotina?

[bogfrog]

Sorry bout that PH, fixed it now, dunno why it got turned sideways when i uploaded it.

Not a solanacea or a nicotina sorry.

I'll include this pick of the seed which is still attatched at the bottom.

I only had two of these seeds germinate and the other looks completely different, its literally 3x as big with completely different shaped leaves, yet i'm pretty certain they are the same.
Nice genetic variation!

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Edited by bogfrog, Yesterday, 03:42 PM.

[planthelper]

caapi!

[bogfrog]

Haha damn yep u got it!

Ever seen such a skinny-binny PH? Almost like a dwarf form!

Heres its sibling
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[Amazonian]

Lol, no way !

[gerbil]

http://www.australia....php?f=6&t=1886

Last picture in the first post, not the clearest but characteristics can be seen, Juicemonkey had this type come out of a batch of seed a few years back, from what I interpret that one was unknown provenance, possibly Tucunaca or similar from interpreting some of the info, but am speculating.

 

Tucunaca seed batches seemed to have quite a wide variation with some interesting horticultural gems from what I've seen around.

[bogfrog]

Oh wow, thats incredible. Thanks for digging up that link Gerbil! "Snake caapi" sounds very apt. I'm glad to see it not just a weak, one-off deformity, this gives me confidence that my little dude will live on

[gerbil]

oh and forgot to say, pretty cool too, nice work!

 

No idea what JM's ones are doing as he's overseas these days, hopefully still kicking around in someones collection if not brought with him. Would be good if they survived.

 

Do you know the origins? are they Tucunaca seed, something else or unknown?

[whitewind]

Wow that's incredible!  I'm very excited when a funky plant like caapi shows such variation in outward appearance.  One imagines the internal makeup could be as variable too.

 

I love that plant.  Grow her big and fast and see if you can't spread her around a bit!

 

It would be interesting to place some pics and background information into this thread too

 

Yes, I know you're not in Australia!

Edited by whitewind, Today, 10:59 AM.

[bogfrog]

oh and forgot to say, pretty cool too, nice work!
 
No idea what JM's ones are doing as he's overseas these days, hopefully still kicking around in someones collection if not brought with him. Would be good if they survived.
 
Do you know the origins? are they Tucunaca seed, something else or unknown?

Yeah pretty sure they are tucunaca,
a member was selling them late last year in this thread: http://www.shaman-au...eeds +for +sale ,
so i'm guessing several others have these on the go too.

I've asked the vendor and he told me the seeds are from "Tucunaca" strain (sometimes written Tukunaca, or Tukunaka), but he also grows Caupuri (knotted caapi), and i grow them pretty close one of each other. The caupuri rarely set seeds, or when it does set seeds the quantity produced is very limited. So I have a mix but there should be a few Caupuri seeds or even hybrids of both, but most of the seeds will show Tucunaca characteristics.

B. caapi Tucunaca strain base
B. caapi Tucunaca strain base - P1010178.jpg

Tucunaca flowers
Tucunaca flowers - P1010192.jpg

Tucunaca flowers
Tucunaca flowers - P1010193.jpg

Tucunaca producing seeds
Banisteriopsis caapi producing seeds - Tucunaca4.jpg


B. Caapi Caupuri strain base
Banisteriopsis caapi Caupuri strain base - DSCN2229.jpg

Caupuri flowers
Caupuri flowers - P1010184.jpg

Caupuri flowers
Caupuri flowers - P1010194.jpg

From looking at the pics he had my other plant has leaves which are definately more like the caupuri than the tucunaca.
Perhaps they could be hybrids as Buttsack suggested.


Sweet as Whitewind, i'll have a look and hopefully ill be able to contirbute something of substance. I'm still a noob with this species, no needless to say i cant believe my luck!