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Hi Jox,

Much appreciated mate. Thank you for the kind words. I look forward to contributing to your fantastic community, seeing as how much of what I've learned actually comes from here and people such as yourself :).

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dawnbeaver what is it?

Looks like caestiposae but the flowers looks like williamsii

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dawnbeaver what is it?

Looks like caestiposae but the flowers looks like williamsii

It's caestiposae I'm sure. The first few flowers it put out over the last month looked more like this post-13818-0-25143500-1390462633_thumb.j

Then it grew the big one you refer to.

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The way I understand it caeistiposae have purple petals and reddish to purplish stamens

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Caespitose refers to variety/locality (e.g. la perdida) or cultivar (like the more common form in cultivation) and it just means clumping. It's still williamsii in terms of species, with williamsii characteristics. I believe what you're referring to with the above flower is Lophophora jourdaniana. Check it out:
http://www.cactus-art.biz/schede/LOPHOPHORA/Lophophora_jurdaniana/Lophophora%20_jourdaniana/lophophora_jourdaniana.htm

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Thanks for the info man

I thought all caestiposae are jourdania, the only caestiposae I have is jourdania, didn't know there are other kinds

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Here are some of my new seedling grafts. Some of the pictures are a month or so old. I'm going to update with photos of them in like 6 months to show progress.

Ariocarpus fissuratus

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A. loydii

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A. kotschoubeyanus

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A. retusus

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Astrophytum caput-medusae

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A. asterias hanazano supar

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Echinocactus texensis

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Lophophora alberto-vojtechii locality cohuila

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L. alberto-vojtechii locality zacatecas

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L. alberto-vojtechii locality Nuevo Leon I have about 10 of these on grafts and a ton more on their own roots.

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L. fricii

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L. diffusa x fricii

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L. koehresii For some reason all of my koehresii are etiolated. I guess I could put them on something that brings them closer to the light.

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Trichocerus TPQC x TPM

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TPM x SS02 This one is starting to crest already, so, I grafted it.

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TPC x (Juul's or SS02 or SS02 x pachanoi) This one looked like it was cresting so I grafted it. Not positive on it yet.

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That's all I will show for now. Super excited about all these. I have quite a few more going, but at a certain point it's pointless to show pictures of them this young.

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Hey GOT (and all of you btw) I wonder what do you plan to do with all those pere grafts , especially astro asterias f.e. which are notoriously difficult to root. Very interested to hear techniques, as pereskiopsis are considered temporary grafts. haven't grafted on pere for some time now...

Have you had success cutting the pere shorter and re-root? I strangely failed once to do this (caespitosa lopho scion) in dry soil, pere dried off completely but the lopho scion thankfully did take.

I have found active growing de-grafts and pumped pups especially of caespitosa strains can root quite fast in dry soil...

I have a single asterias I re-potted with the graft in a tall pot, leaving the whole stock buried with stones

like that , it continued growing and seems to like like that...

000000 = stones, pebble

SSSSS = soil

asterias =asterias graft

selini = selinicereus stock

root = selicereus root

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Also, whenever I have ferted lopho scions on cerus, trichocereus, pereskiopsis, selinicereus , most of the times I have split the scion. maybe it was the cheap strong 20-20-20 I used?

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It's my first time doing any numbers this season. So I been thinking about this a lot. I have plenty of trichs I could regraft to. Then all the funky grafts I don't want to cut, I was going to cut the pere down to the length of the pot and bury the stock. Give the scion time to root as the base fades away after a while. Cacti don't need all that N as far as I know. I'd back that down if bloating causes problems when ferting.

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Damn, that thing is flowering like mad! How many times in the last 3 months has it flowered?

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Something like 7 times and counting. No sign of any seed pods as yet.

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Crazy. I put a loph on a big pedro stock once and it flowered a few times, but I didn't get any fruits either.

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Crazy. I put a loph on a big pedro stock once and it flowered a few times, but I didn't get any fruits either.

According to my readings, lophophora are the only self-fertile species in the genus lophophora

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Yeah. I've self fertilized williamsii on their own roots successfully but so far not with a grafted one (only tried with 1 plant so far) for some reason. I've also heard that only the Northern form is always self fertile. The southern form sometimes is self sterile (correct me if I'm wrong, I may have northern and southern mixed up)

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The truth I'm not familiar with this info, it's new to me.

I got my info from M S Smith like 10 years ago. So I guess it's more wise to ask him.

If it self fertile on its own roots then it should be the same way when grafted.

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Yep, these could be two different forms though. Maybe the flower was just forced from the intense pump the graft caused and it wasn't really a viable flower. I'm not sure how it works, but I for sure polinated the flower and it didn't take. It's been about 2 months since then and no fruit yet.

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Taken from Kaktusy lophophora edition (2005):

The 'southern type', centred around Huizache

"In contrast to the so-called northern type, the L. williamsii from Huizache is always heterogamous (the northern type plants are usually autogamous). Moreover, they differ in the structure of the flower, whose style is longer and the white stigma much smaller than in the northern form. In the shape and configuration of its flower, it is closer to the section Diffusae than it is to the 'northern type' of L. williamsii. The plant develops more seeds in each fruit, which are about one-third smaller than in the other forms of the species. The flower is dark pink to nearly white, with a characteristic pinkish tone to the petals (also sometimes lacking a distinct central stripe)."
"Among all the forms of L. williamsii, the Huizache form is the most variable in the regularity of ribbing. Heads with 5, 7, and 10 ribs can be found in a single cluster, and heads with 5, 8, 13 ribs on another."

The 'northern type' centred around Saltillo

"The northern form is most numerous in Czech collections, mainly due to its resistance to unfavourable conditions of drought, cold, water, pests and fungi, and also because it is autogamous. The flowers are robust with broad rounded petals of a very pale pink to white colour, and bear a prominent pink mid-stripe. The tube is short, the style is short and white, and the stigma is fleshy and pink-tinted. The stamens are white, reaching beyond the stigma. The anthers are yellow to orange. The fruits are pink and cylindrical, and the seeds are black, about 1 mm in diameter."

The northern type includes texana, probably the most cultivated williamsii around.

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Your loph actually looks really similar to L. koehresii. Or it could be an interesting hybrid thereof. Might not be a bad idea to start an ID thread for it to see what other people think. Because if it is L. koehresii then you're gonna want to cross pollinate it to get fruits. Mind you it sometimes gets pretty tough to ID lophs once they're grafted though.

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I've heard theories that caespitosa williamsii are actually hybrids of different species of loph with williamsii.

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