Test tube meattest tube meat
Posted 24 June 2012 - 07:19 AM
Not that i'm about to give up growing mushrooms, i just dont delude myself that that it is an entirely benign passtime.
Its a bit like the aquaculture industry, yes its wonderful they can raise lots of lovely fresh protein under controlled conditions in ponds or cages taking pressure off wild stocks? but ask them where the ingredients for the feed comes from? almost all (probably all but i haven't looked at every brand worldwide) contain fishmeal from wild fisheries.
And switching the world from animal agriculture to vegetable or cell line based protein wouldn't weaken the big biotech's, if anything it would sure up their bottom line. And in the end wouldn't save a single shrub in the end as forests are pushed, burned & lazer leveled for soy etc.
Things are rarely as simple as they seem.
Can i put 2bob each way on massive sudden release of methane hydrate?
I spose that's just catastrophic environmental degradation, so i'm with Whitewind on that.
Posted 24 June 2012 - 07:54 AM
be careful what you wish for, ww3 is on the cards
the problem now is mans technology far outweighs his wisdom
most of civilisation would cease in just a few hrs, no human in the northern hemisphere would survive
if you see Russia invade Iran the yanks will get upset and kabooooom, Russia needs oil too and usa is getting control of it, Russia is concerned usa will take Iran so they might pre-empt
Iran is the fuse
there is nothing new under the sun, we have been here man times
we have never made anything and not used it, nothing ever
Thats a bit out there Pete. Your welcome to your views of course. I mean the bit about Russia Iran and the US. Russia is not short of oil, the USSR is not dead its just very quiet.
Edited by Stillman, 24 June 2012 - 07:56 AM.
Ahwagandha. Brahmi. Dioscorea sp & other edible tubers. Ipomoea sp edible and ornamental. Datura metel's. Trichocereus, Central American cacti and succulents of Africa. Miscellaneous edibles.
Posted 12 September 2012 - 05:09 PM
Nothing humans make is better than nature.
I see test tube meat as a pandoras box which would have the potential to create/ mutate already horrible diseases that could escape and infect proper animal populations, Along the same lines as our "saviours" anti-biotics, which have basically just become super bacteria factories.
Nothing good will come of test tube meat.
lower the worlds population by 3/4 and eat proper meat, problem solved.
Posted 14 September 2012 - 06:51 AM
Posted 14 September 2012 - 03:56 PM
Well, i suppose the easiest way to "explain" it would be. How did diseases/virus', etc form in the first place?
If a living creature can get diseases/ have diseases develop simply because there is a host/victim there - with the ability to fight off such diseases, then i cannot see having the same living meat without an immune system as being a good thing.
Without acutally having the virus, such meat would be the equivelant of a creature with AIDS, unless pumped full of antibiotics, anything which came in contact with it while it was "alive and being grown" could threoretically infect it, with nothing to inhibit that.
Because this would be a mass produced product with no ability to defend itself, it would be open to a wider range of diseases than would not normally effect that "species".
I suppose to me, asking how diseases could develop/mutate/ distribute through such a product is like asking how antibiotics can create a super bacteria..... after all antibiotics kills bacteria, its not bacteria steroids.... but humans cannot think of every situation, which is why we have super bacteria when all people wanted to do is kill them.
Edited by Yavimaya, 14 September 2012 - 03:57 PM.
Posted 14 September 2012 - 07:22 PM
Posted 14 September 2012 - 07:43 PM
Besides, it's not going to be long before growing replacement organs will be commonplace, and if there are any problems associated with this process, then we'd better sort them out. Choosing not to use technology in this way is not really an option for our species.
I don't really understand the comparison with anti-biotics as a way to point to possible dangers, considering the many millions and millions of lives saved by antibiotics since their discovery. Yes, superbugs now exist that would not have existed previously, but without other options, that's just an unfortunate side-effect of something that is overwhelmingly good.
We used to have no way of combating infectious agents. Even if a superbug that we had absolutely no way fighting with any antibiotics we could ever produce suddenly developed, we'd still only be back to square one, with an unbeatable organism, and no worse off.
Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:41 PM
Roughly how many times can a mammalian muscle cell divide in vitro before it stops ?
I know it's a vague question as there are many cell types that fall under this broad banner, but are there there still fixed limits or have they been circumvented ?
Do the telemere sequence and telemerase enzymes regulate this process ?
I'm just trying to think of the implications for maintaining cultures etc.
The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively.
Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:27 AM
Whats the general conciseness here; If a human muscle cell line were used would it still considered cannibalism? or just another food item?
Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:58 AM
Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:58 AM