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[pete34]

i found this on a forum
Ibogahuasca using the Iboga leaves as the main admixture with the Caapi. This way it will be much easier to practice Iboga sustainability.

Caapi+Iboga Leaves = Ibogahuasca!!!



will iboga work better with cappi?

[∂an]

given that ibogaine is an indole like DMT and psilocybin I assume it would work. there is an entry on the erowid experience vault that describes a bad experience with this combo. but maybe with less iboga it would be successful...

[SallyD]

That really sounds like a heavy duty combo man.
I don't think I'd be up for it unless I had some type of addiction or severe compulsive habit I wanted to deal with head on.

Don't try this at home kiddies.

[mutant]

not a good idea

[poisonshroom]

Sounds potentially dangerous - Iboga alone can be fatal to some, and its effects seem to be pretty harsh on the body (cardiovascular effects etc), Id say its strong enough by itself. In answer to your question though it is likely an MAOI would potentiate the Ibogaine & co. and I believe the combination may be contraindicated (whether or not thats just a general precaution or if its been properly established, im not sure).

[planthelper]

i guess tiny ammounts could be save and give good results, but once you overdose you could be in serious trouble.

say, you suffer from hypotension or other problems, whilst halucinating, and the experience will not wear off, for twice or more times as normaly.....

[pete34]

given that ibogaine is an indole like DMT and psilocybin I assume it would work. there is an entry on the erowid experience vault that describes a bad experience with this combo. but maybe with less iboga it would be successful...

Thanks Kalika
yes less and maybe iboga leaves or root bark not whole root and a smaller amount, good to know indole is what to look at if any MAOI is used, thanks

That really sounds like a heavy duty combo man. I don't think I'd be up for it unless I had some type of addiction or severe compulsive habit I wanted to deal with head on. Don't try this at home kiddies.

Thanks SallyD
iboga is a spirit plant you take it to learn,its not for recreation, thats why its good for addiction people grow up ;-) even heroin addicts can just give up heroin with no withdrawals, i dont have an addiction though. iboga allows us to face our sub-concious/concious fears from womb to now like we do in the spirit world, so it isnt recreational, its like dieing going over your life and being born all on the same day or two, so not for the feint at heart. You evolve.

Sounds potentially dangerous - Iboga alone can be fatal to some, and its effects seem to be pretty harsh on the body (cardiovascular effects etc), Id say its strong enough by itself. In answer to your question though it is likely an MAOI would potentiate the Ibogaine & co. and I believe the combination may be contraindicated (whether or not thats just a general precaution or if its been properly established, im not sure).

Thanks poisonshroom
agreed and i dont think MAOI was used by the shamans, kalika says it is an indole so thats good to know

i guess tiny ammounts could be save and give good results, but once you overdose you could be in serious trouble. say, you suffer from hypotension or other problems, whilst halucinating, and the experience will not wear off, for twice or more times as normaly.....

Thanks planthelper
above comments

Peter

[∂an]

yes less and maybe iboga leaves or root bark not whole root and a smaller amount, good to know indole is what to look at if any MAOI is used, thanks

well actually what you want to look for with respect to MAOI potentiation is a monoamine compound (MAOI = monoamine oxydase inhibitor). given that idole has a single nitrogen atom hanging off a benzene ring I assumed that means all indole derived compounds are monoamines. anyone know organic chemistry?

some Tabernaemontana species contain ibogaine type alkaloids and are supposedly used as ayahausca admixtures. maybe Ott or Schultes books have more data on this?

remember that ayahausca is an MAOI + DMT, and DMT is very short acting by itself when smoked and inactive orally. ibogaine on the other hand can last for 12 hours when taken orally, so there is a huge different between these two indoles.

using the leaves instead of root bark sounds like a good idea, and not just of iboga but the Tabernaemontana species. maybe there is a way of getting an experience off the leaves without a large dose of an MAOI.

Edited by kalika, 16 June 2012 - 02:28 AM.

[Torsten]

using leaves as a smokable addition to aya is probably quite safe because of the small dose and the gradual dosing. I'd be careful about using it in the brew though.

I have a friend in brazil who used iboga in ayahuasca rituals in a santo daime style group, ie with strong christian ritual framework. His main aim was addiction interruption. he seemed to be using it quite safely even at effective doses. It should be noted though that reaction to iboga is pretty individual, so I'd never extrapolate one experience onto another person.

[mindperformer]

The leaves of Tabernaemontana sananho (Sanango, uch pa huasca sanango) are used as Ayahuasca-additive in Amazonia for a better recall of the visions. It contains Ibogaine and related alkaloids.


The Matis in the brazilian amazon near the peruvian border, use Tabernaemontana undulata (Becchete). Its latex contains Ibogaine and is used as hallucinogenic eyedrops. The Matsés also use it, but oral.

[Roopey]

It would probably be much safer, yet still highly effective to make a smoke blend with Caapi, Iboga and whatever other sacred leaves or flowers you want to use.

It appears there are native Tabernaemontana species as well. They would be interesting to investigate.

[mindperformer]

good idea-
i will try my iboga-leaves with yagé-leaves soon and report the effects